Once again this is not what the fundraising messages point out. This is just a quite shareable list of top priorities in your opinion.
Vito Il giorno sab 25 set 2021 alle ore 09:00 Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > Hoi, > I presented two existential threats to our ecosystem. We have a > technical debt in the legacy software we use for our functionality. The > engine for Wikidata is not likely to survive, it desperately needs > replacement. When the question is: are we in dire straights, yes we are. Is > this about fundraising, hell yes. Do fundraisers require a compelling > message, they do. I remind you of this "branding" issue. We are raising > money for Wikimedia. > > The notion of a budget is to fulfill ambitions. We have gone over the > message, let's talk about the mission. It is about "sharing the sum of all > knowledge". Opening up Commons in a Wiki way to nine year old children > worldwide is easy, we already have the software and it will cost money > to implement properly. It needs an integral implementation that fits our > infrastructure. There are other examples that demonstrate that we do not > even "share the knowledge available to us". Increasing a budget to fulfil > ambitions is what you do to get things done. Fundraising is what we do to > pay the cost of enabling the fulfilment of what is budgeted. > > The Wikimedia Foundation has the best platform to raise funds. Much more > is possible. We can easily get more institutional money. However, it is > well known that the WMF retains its independence by keeping a balance > between public and institutional funding. Therefore the fundraising is > essential for "Wikipedia" to retain its independence. > > What I point out is not new, it should be well known. To me your point of > view is bizarre. It is only about appearances and numbers without a context > in what we do > Thanks, > GerardM > > On Fri, 24 Sept 2021 at 16:26, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Gerard, >> >> Do you think the banners *have* to paint a mental picture of Wikipedia >> being in dire financial straits for people to donate? With wordings like >> "We need you to make a donation this Friday so that we can continue to >> protect Wikipedia's independence"? >> >> Isn't it pretty bizarre to portray your financial situation in this way, >> when you're planning to increase your expenses by 40% from one year to the >> next, and are literally taking 10 times more money from the public per >> annum than you did ten years ago? >> >> It's not about the money per se – there are surely few people and >> organisations who would say that they couldn't do with some more money than >> the amount they have – but about whether you give the public and >> prospective donors a more or less accurate impression of your financial >> situation and your spending intentions. >> >> Do you think the current fundraising banners do that? >> >> Andreas >> >> On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 2:50 PM Gerard Meijssen < >> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hoi, >>> No it is not. When we do not find a solution for the technical issues >>> for Wikidata it will crash and burn.. >>> >>> The ferocity that some people display about the WMF fundraising astounds >>> me. We are operating one of the biggest websites in the world, it is hugely >>> problematic in that its bias for English prevents us from providing a >>> service that is of the same quality for everyone. The legacy that exists in >>> our code and the rising expectations are obvious signs that we are under >>> investing, not over investing. There is a limit to the growth of our >>> organisation as such I applaud the WMF even though it could and should be >>> so much better. >>> >>> On Fri, 24 Sept 2021 at 15:25, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> This is exactly the previously mentioned idea of "collect money, then >>>> we will find a way to spend it". >>>> Instead, we should be honest with donors and volunteers, the urgency >>>> portrayed by banners is not true, there's no risk of closing our projects. >>>> >>>> *Assumes that there is only one project* is true, but in terms of >>>> current fundraising communication. >>>> >>>> Vito >>>> >>>> >>>> Il giorno ven 24 set 2021 alle ore 14:50 Gerard Meijssen < >>>> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> ha scritto: >>>> >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> There are some people who repeatedly argue that we raise way too much >>>>> money. Given a set of assumptions an argument can be constructed to make >>>>> this point. In my opinion there is little merit to the argument. We do >>>>> need >>>>> money to operate the Wikimedia projects and a positive outcome per year >>>>> enables us to do more.the next year. I have some ideas about raising money >>>>> and raising expectations. >>>>> >>>>> - We want to raise less money in the Anglo-Saxon world. When >>>>> people donate money everywhere they too will gain a sense of ownership. >>>>> This sense of ownership is to be distributed more equally around the >>>>> globe >>>>> - With our projects owned more equitably around the globe, the >>>>> notion that "any child of nine year old can find pictures in Commons" >>>>> is >>>>> reasonable and self-evident; the world pays for results that >>>>> are globally relevant .. >>>>> - We need a delivery manager, his/her task is to research and >>>>> define what it is our projects deliver to their public. The objective >>>>> is to >>>>> increase both quantity and quality of what is delivered by a project >>>>> and >>>>> discuss with project communities what it is that can be done to >>>>> improve the >>>>> service to its public. Commons does provide material to Wikipedia, >>>>> that is >>>>> good but not enough. >>>>> >>>>> Both the Wikimedia Foundation and the Internet Archive have projects >>>>> to document all scientific papers / output. The Internet Archive provides >>>>> an important service to the Wikimedia Foundation and we can integrate the >>>>> two projects, reduce costs and have the WMF pay the IA for its services. >>>>> Closer ties with the Internet Archive provide many other benefits. One of >>>>> these benefits is that we can bring the Wikipedia references into a modern >>>>> age. >>>>> >>>>> For Wikidata there is a technical limit in what we can achieve on the >>>>> current platform. Because of Wikidata the WMF is a very big fish in the >>>>> data pond. We need to (imho) pick up the challenge and develop our own >>>>> software. This will cost significantly and it demonstrates that we accept >>>>> that Free software is not Free as in Beer. With the IA as a partner, we >>>>> may >>>>> find a partner in this endeavour. >>>>> >>>>> The notion that we raise too much money, the notion that there is no >>>>> urgency is a fallacy. It is all too easy to identify how our service is >>>>> lacking and where we can improve our service. The arguments why the WMF >>>>> raises too much money assumes that there is only one project, their >>>>> project >>>>> and they consider that its status quo suffices. The question is, >>>>> sufficient >>>>> for who,for what and for how long. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>>>> guidelines at: >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>> Public archives at >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/DEUD2GEI5CNSKGJLZKQB2JYPZVNSW6CF/ >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> Public archives at >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/O6SXN6BX4JT3ZSR6IRINCALLXDOB266U/ >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/IOJVJSWMOJGON2KEYGM7QEWXRN7N2ZBE/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/B22EFROPUNW6NCD7NL2DNBLE3ZA4I2HR/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/JXXSDLLBYIDDMOEOC53CGUY7COKCA5LE/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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