Voting is open! See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Proposals

(and amazingly the bug from 2007 is currently leading the votes! Although I'm not sure it will stay there for much longer - please have a look at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Miscellaneous/Check_if_a_page_exists_without_populating_WhatLinksHere if you want to finally see this fixed!)

Thanks,
Mike

On 14/1/22 19:28:00, Mike Peel wrote:
Not sure if the opening of the Wishlist has been announced here yet? But it seems to be open for proposals until the 23rd.

Which means I get to propose fixing a simple technical question for the fifth time in the wishlist: does this page exist?

Seriously. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Miscellaneous/Check_if_a_page_exists_without_populating_WhatLinksHere

Thanks,
Mike

On 5/1/22 16:10:37, Natalia Rodriguez wrote:
Hey all,
Nice to meet many of you for the first time! Thanks for your feedback and for raising larger concerns around resource allocation at the Foundation. These concerns are extremely valid-- especially the ones around allocating resources for less supported platforms such as Commons and broken infrastructure. The wishlist process will begin next week with the proposal phase starting Jan 10.

In the email thread, I identified some open questions about the Wishlist process so I am answering them here.

  *
    Can we vote/focus on the maintenance of tools rather than new tools?
      o
        Yes. The wishes that we work on do not have to be associated
        with a new tool. In the past we’ve taken on projects that were
        maintenance related. For example, in the last year, we took on
        improvement projects for Wikisource Export and Wikisource OCR
        tools, among other initiatives. We also maintain and fix all the
        tools we’ve built in the past.Check out the fresh documentation
        about what qualifies as a proposal here.
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/FAQ#How_to_create_a_good_proposal?>
      o
        Gnangarra, your points about the issues with bulk uploads in
        Commons would make a sound proposal-- a proposal does not have
        to be a new tool in the least. The part about uploading large
        files is out of scope for our team though (see link above about
        our areas of focus, the issue is infrastructural
        <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86436>and too large for what
        we can take on). I still believe there is value in suggesting
        it, though.
      o
        We have Talk to Us
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/Updates/Talk_to_Us>hours
        on January 19-- where the entire team will be available for a
        video call to help folks who want to write proposals and polish
        them so that they may get selected.

  *
    What if what we want fixed is larger than what the Community Tech
    team can accomplish?
      o
        This year, we will be talking directly with leadership about
        larger wishes that we can't fulfill ourselves. To make this
        possible, we will no longer be formally 'Archiving' ideas. One
        improvement we are implementing from conversations with all of
        you at past Talk to Us Hours and other places, is that we will
        place projects that are too large for us into a new category
        called “Larger Suggestions'' because we still want people to be
        able to voice those needs. We plan to share this with the
        Foundation's leadership during the WMF's annual planning, which
        takes place in the spring.
      o
        This being said, if you have an idea that may be too large for
        us to take on, I would also encourage you to come to Talk to Us
        Hours (link above) and see if we can help you workshop the
        proposal into something we can help with. If we can’t then I
        would still highly encourage you to propose, by all means!
        Chances are if you think it’s an important problem, many other
        members do as well.
      o
        Finally, the wishlist isn't just for Community Tech. Volunteer
        developers and other Wikimedia Foundation teams have taken on
        wishes from the wishlist. For this reason, there is a chance
        that a wish may not be appropriate for our team, but it can be
        addressed by someone else.


  *
    Why isn’t the WMF fixing what we feel are  be the most urgently
    needed fixes in functionality?
      o
        This is a larger question that gets answered at the board and
        C-leadership levels. There are also some relatively new teams at
        the Foundation, such as Architecture and Platform Engineering,
        that aim to improve the technical infrastructure overall in the
        years to come. However, every team can help with the answer and
        Community Tech can help with communication of technical needs.
        This “Larger Suggestions” collection of wishes I mentioned in
        the previous answer will not be a silver bullet that fixes all
        of the problems, but I believe in the power of incremental steps
        to steer us in that direction.


  *
    How can we communicate the urgency of the fixes that we need?
      o
        I don’t believe there is any lack of documentation of concerns
        about functionality that is broken. Folks are right to point out
        that it’s about synthesizing what is most urgently broken, the
        maintenance that is really necessary, and surfacing it to
        leadership. We, the Community Tech team, had a lot of hard
        conversations about how to handle this because we never want to
        mislead anyone into thinking we are going to work on ideas that
        are too large for our team. However, we all collectively came to
        the conclusion that we should still be the team that gives
        people the space to voice what they need from a technical
        perspective.
      o
        The wishlist itself can communicate urgency. If you submit a
        detailed wish (the more details, the better!), and if the wish
        receives a high number of votes, we definitively know as a team
        that it's urgent and high-priority. From there, we have the
        information we need to take next steps. This may involve taking
        on the wish ourselves or communicating the wish to leadership.
  *
    Does the Community Tech team work in isolation?
      o
        No, we constantly collaborate with other teams at the Foundation
        and most importantly, with all of you. This year our goal is to
        share the top wishes with other product managers who are
        responsible for products related to the categories in the
        wishlist. This way, they may incorporate relevant wishes into
        their team's roadmap, or they will at least consider community
        requests as they plan upcoming work. We always check to see if
        other teams are already working on solutions related to what is
        asked inside of the Wishlist. We plan to do more and are
        energized that the conversation is already beginning to happen
        in this thread.
  *
    Why is the Community Tech team so small? Why can't more people be
    hired, or why can't a second Community Tech team be formed?
      o
        As a team, we deeply believe in our work, and we hope to keep
        growing. We know how important it is to work directly with
        community members and fulfill community requests. If you want
        our team to grow, one of the best ways you can champion us is to
        participate in the wishlist. As participation rates grow (and
        they have!), the more effectively we can advocate for our team
        and its resources.


P.S. We are still welcoming help to promote the survey and to translate the updated documentation. Thanks for reading.

Best,
Natalia Rodriguez
Senior Product Manager, Community Tech


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