Thank you Yaroslav, I would very much appreciate a link to the discussion. By not having a Youtube 2.0 we are avoiding a Wikipedia 2.0 with pure encyclopaedic videos. I see a false dilemma there.
El mar, 23 ene 2024 a las 16:03, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga (< [email protected]>) escribió: > Thanks to everyone for your comments. > We don't need to worry about Commons being "Youtube 2.0", because we can't > embed Commons video outside. Furthermore, we can't even embed Commons > images or videos in Diff, because oEmbed is not working for Commons and > Wordpress can't take directly images or videos from Commons. This has been > known since... 2010! > > > - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T27854 > - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T309101 > > > Again, the problem is not about this code or that specific piece of code. > The problem is lack of direction, ambition and goals. > > Cheers, > > Galder > ------------------------------ > *From:* James Heilman <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 23, 2024 10:49 PM > *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are > doing it wrong > > Yes we see this sentiment regarding a number of issues in our movement. > The existing community wants to keep certain processes more difficult / > time consuming to make sure that those involved in the process are > sufficiently "dedicated". > > Maybe we just need a flag which can be given to allow certain folks we > trust to use an easier process or only allow video upload by people with so > many edits which can be removed if they misuse it? > > James > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 2:38 PM Yaroslav Blanter <[email protected]> wrote: > > Specifically related to video uploads, we had discussions on Commons on > different strategic issues recently, in particular, about this. The general > sentiment was, to my understanding (pls correct me if I am wrong) that > Commons has no ambition to become Youtube 2.0 and we do not have any > resources for this. If video upload is encouraged, very strict policies > must be in force concerning of what is in the scope of Commons. > > Best > Yaroslav > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 10:05 PM Brion Vibber <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Converting them to suitably compact files in h.264/aac in .MP4 format > would be by far the simplest way. Use ffmpeg as we do on the server side > for online playback. > > Conforming to the arbitrary Wikimedia prohibition on h.264 you could use > mpeg-4 visual instead, still in .mp4 - afaik patents are expired and it'll > play in standalone files (not in HLS) > > If you jump through enough hoops you might get vp9 working in HLS offline, > but adaptive streaming may be irrelevant to offline use. > > -- brion > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2024, 12:52 PM James Heilman <[email protected]> wrote: > > It would be amazing if one could play videos on iPhones when the videos > are within ZIMs in an offline environment aswell. Brion not sure what > barriers there are to this currently? > > James > > On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 12:48 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Should read 2030 Strategy, not 2023 strategy, sorry. > > Paulo Santos Perneta <[email protected]> escreveu (terça, > 23/01/2024 à(s) 19:41): > > I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. We are currently grappling > with rather rudimentary approaches when it comes to uploading and reusing > video and music files... > The incredibly useful Graph has been down for quite some time. The > extensive capabilities of Wikidata query representations, particularly with > geolocated data on maps, appear to have barely scratched the surface. > Listeria frequently experiences issues and underwent a major update that > disrupted previous queries. > > On a personal note, I attempted to create a dynamic digital library of > works under a free license using Wikidata for our Digital Humanistics > centre. However, I discovered that with the available tools, I would need > to code the presentation myself, as the options for reuse outside of > Wikidata were very basic. > > On the whole, the Wikipedia experience remains challenging, especially for > newcomers. The much wanted Visual Editor developments and improvements seem > to have stopped years ago. The recent changes made by the 'Desktop > Improvement' team to the default Wikipedia skin seem to be more geared > towards readers than editors and have apparently worsened the overall > experience, according to feedback I've received from newcomers. > > These are just a few instances that have underscored, and continue to > underscore, my belief that we are likely not on the path towards achieving > the objectives outlined in the 2023 Strategy. > > My personal impression is that the issue doesn't necessarily stem from a > lack of funding to pursue these objectives but rather from the ineffective > expenditure and allocation of those funds. I wish I knew how to contribute > to changing or improving this situation. > It would also be great to see a comment/opinion from current CEO Maryana > Iskander on this state of affairs, and if there is some roadmap for > improving it. > > Best, > Paulo > > > Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <[email protected]> escreveu (terça, > 23/01/2024 à(s) 11:03): > > Dear wikimedians, > Nearly one year ago, the Graphs extension was disabled from all wikis, > because there was a security issue that should be solved ( > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T334940). A wide team from the WMF > worked on a solution for some weeks, but after Northern Hemisphere spring > ended, summer came, then the monsoon season, and now it is again summer in > the Southern Hemisphere... and Graphs are still disabled. All the solutions > proposed have been dismissed, but every two months there's a proposal to > make a new roadmap to solve the issue. We have plenty of roadmaps, but no > vehicle to reach our destination. > > Seven years ago, we were discussing our Strategy for 2030. We used > thousands of volunteer hours, thousands of staff hours and millions of > dollars to build a really well-balanced strategy. There we concluded that "*By > 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem > of free knowledge*". We also made some recommendations to improve the > User Experience ( > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Recommendations/Improve_User_Experience) > and claimed that we wanted to Innovate in Free Knowledge ( > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Recommendations/Innovate_in_Free_Knowledge). > Well, the situation is now worse than it was seven years ago, let me give > some examples: > > > - Graph extension is used in thousands of pages, some of them highly > relevant, as COVID or Climate Change information. There are thousands of > graphs broken now, and the only partial solution give is loading these > graphs as images, instead of promoting an interactive solution. > - Meanwhile, a place like Our World in Data has been publishing data > and interactive content with a compatible license for years. (Remember, > "*By > 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem > of free knowledge*"). Trying to add this data and graphs to Wikimedia > projects has been done by WikiMed, and it is technically possible, but > still blocked to deploy (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T303853). > - Wolfram Alpha is like a light year ahead us on giving interactive > solutions to knowledge questions, even the silliest ones ( > https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=how+many+oranges+fit+in+the+Earth%3F). > We have good technical articles about a lot of things, but sometimes > "*becoming > the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge*" > needs to provide solutions to exact problems, like the answer to an > equation, and how to solve it. That's also "free knowledge". > - Brilliant (https://brilliant.org/) is brilliant if you want to learn > lots of things, like geometry or programming. Way better than Wikipedia. > But... you need to pay for it. How could we even try if we can't add > anything interactive to our platforms? > - We can build interactive timelines using Wikidata, but we can't > embed them at Wikipedia. Weird, because I can do it in any external page. > Hopefully, Histropedia will do it better. http://histropedia.com/ > <http://histropedia.com/> > - We could have something very special: inline links in video and > audio subtitles. We used to have them, but the new video infrastructure > doesn't allow it. Imagine a world where you can watch a video and link a > link in the subtitles just to know more about that. > - ... > > > The list can go on an on ("which phase the moon is today?"), but I think > that the idea is clear. We could have interactive content, but we are going > in the opposite direction, and every year we are further from our goal, > because other platforms are doing it better, way better. And this seems > like some wild ideas, but then I read the 2023-2024 annual plan section > called "Wiki Experiences" ( > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2023-2024/Goals/Infrastructure#Bucket:_Wiki_Experiences) > and it looks like we should be going there. But we aren't. > > I'm sorry if this e-mail feels bitter. My experience in the last years is > that we are now further of what we need that we were before, even if many > chapters and volunteers are trying to overturn it. > > Thank to everyone who have been trying. > > Galder > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/T3TDXNOYBO2OUJVSKBOEFLY4I34YEA5B/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/5WAACT3V43UAL3JRF6VRRDTW4BBBGCOE/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > > > -- > James Heilman > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/ECDI7DM34JMHKSMOXRWWOVEXQNOK53SR/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/W47FVLTA2JLA4QGFW5OUTE3PQUR2ETUE/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/X3ZNH4RW6B3U5SV6T5BRD4DRNTFLXAUC/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > > > > -- > James Heilman > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/IETB2MOGMJHISVC2EEPI6SW5QQONPJOK/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > -- *Iván Martínez* *Voluntario - Wikimedia México A.C.User:ProtoplasmaKid * // Mis comunicaciones respecto a Wikipedia/Wikimedia pueden tener una moratoria en su atención debido a que es un voluntariado. // Ayuda a proteger a Wikipedia, dona ahora: https://donate.wikimedia.org
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