(Ah, whoops, hadn't read the last two posts in the thread which explained exactly what I did, somewhat better...)
2009/11/8 Andrew <[email protected]> > The "copyfraud" argument is basically - in their view, the item is under PD > already so it is unethical for museums etc to licence it under any terms at > all as they don't "own" them. > > However what that argument doesnt acknowledge is that the material may be > PD but the hosting and preservation of it is the key element (as we > discussed at GLAM) and the museum are providing us with freely available > *digital copies* which are, within the terms of the licence, freely > available and reusable worldwide. > > > 2009/11/7 Craig Franklin <[email protected]> > >> Hi Peter, >> >> Unfortunately the physical objects that the collection is based upon (the >> glass plate negatives) are in a locked cupboard somewhere in the QM >> warehouse, so the possibility of getting our hands on them and making our >> own copies are fairly remote. >> >> I've deliberately worded the info in the infobox to be slightly ambiguous >> - QM *claim* copyright on the digitisation (much the same as the NPG in the >> UK), but there has not been a legal case here in Australia to my knowledge >> or the knowledge of QM's copyright people to confirm whether the "sweat of >> the brow" doctrine would hold up in an Australian court. We only say that >> QM "assert" copyright over the digitisation, not that we recognise that >> particular claim. And because the digitisation part is then released under >> a free, acceptable licence, the whole shebang is fine to go on Commons. >> >> The images are tagged PD because they are unquestionably PD in the United >> States, which is what really matters in this case, but it's worth mentioning >> that there is a possible bit of CC-BY-SA-3.0 in there just so that nobody in >> Australia or the UK gets caught out. >> >> Cheers, >> Craig >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Ansell >> Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 9:00 AM >> To: Wikimedia-au >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph collection >> >> Mmmm... I don't quite understand the technicalities involved, but they >> are licensing it under CC-BY-SA so the outcome of the license is >> definitely not a deletion candidate. >> >> In my naive opinion I might think the word copyfraud relates to the >> use of a more limited license on a copy of a completely freely >> available image. It does seem arbitrary to put on the extra >> attribution/share alike clause just so the museum can be recognised as >> "the digitiser" given that the museum doesn't technically have any >> copyright/legal rights over the use of the original image unless they >> do that. >> >> If an external institution wants to digitise PD images with strings >> attached then people will wikilawyer about it. If the original image >> is PD, could someone else get access to the PD image and provide a PD >> digitised copy or would museums use their powers to restrict access to >> an image just to keep the attribution aspect? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Peter >> >> 2009/11/7 Craig Franklin <[email protected]>: >> > It might just be the fact that I’ve not yet had my morning coffee, but >> under >> > what grounds is he claiming it’s “copyfraud”? This is the sort of thing >> I >> > was worried about, and pedantic wikilawyering like this is in my opinion >> one >> > of the main things that make external institutions nervous about working >> > with us. >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Craig F. >> > >> > >> > >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt >> inbgn >> > Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 8:26 AM >> > To: Wikimedia-au >> > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E "Bert" Roberts photograph >> collection >> > >> > >> > >> > This deletion discussion may be of some interest. >> > >> > Matt >> > >> > 2009/11/8 Andrew <[email protected]> >> > >> > indeed, fantastic effort :) I like the way in which it's been done - >> i.e. >> > they still have control over what gets released, but then anything they >> > decide to release is public. Makes it a lot less scary for the GLAM. >> > >> > 2009/11/7 Gnangarra <[email protected]> >> > >> > >> > >> > the file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hearse-r.jpg has been >> added >> > to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearse#History there are some really >> > interesting image in the ones already uploaded thanks for your efforts >> Craig >> > >> > >> > 2009/11/6 Craig Franklin <[email protected]> >> > >> > Hi All, >> > >> > >> > >> > I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the >> > GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the >> Brisbane >> > Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the >> Museum >> > has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts” >> > photograph collection to Commons. Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from >> > Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took >> > photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday >> life >> > in Queensland from the time. While not famous for his photography >> during >> > his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be >> recognised >> > as providing a unique view into the society of the time. His >> photographs >> > are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides >> at >> > their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb & Co Museum), but which presently has >> > travelled to Ipswich for a limited time. >> > >> > >> > >> > So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a >> > thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has. You can >> see >> > what’s been uploaded so far here: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection >> > >> > >> > >> > My request to all of you, basically, is to: >> > >> > >> > >> > · Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much >> as >> > possible. >> > >> > · Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where >> > this content can be used, and use it. >> > >> > · Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits >> of >> > making their collections available through Commons and other free media >> > repositories! >> > >> > · Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and any >> > problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate >> on >> > providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of >> Wiki-law. >> > >> > >> > >> > Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not >> been >> > digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in >> > volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually >> *do* >> > the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do that. If >> > you’re interested (and preferably have some “serious” photography >> > experience), let me know and I’ll pass your details on. >> > >> > >> > >> > It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful >> > collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the >> > country. I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away >> here >> > in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM >> > projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in >> > general. >> > >> > >> > >> > If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please >> feel >> > free to ask me! >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > Craig Franklin >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimediaau-l mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >> > >> > >> > -- >> > GN. >> > http://gnangarra.redbubble.com/ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimediaau-l mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimediaau-l mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimediaau-l mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaau-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaau-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l >> > >
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