Even I have tried to reach them on all these fronts and didn't work ! If the India chapter wants to help us on this, there is nothing more to make a few like us very happy ! :)
Regards Tinu Cherian On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Naveen Francis <navee...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi > > I have send a mail to them; as always no reply from them. > > Posted the same request on the wall of Census2011 > > http://www.facebook.com/Census2011 > > If you have fb account try to convey the same message on facebook wall; > then they will notice and respond back if we are lucky. > It has worked for few sites . > > till then let us use this pdf as the base. > > Thanks, > Naveen Francis > > > > On 8 June 2011 14:54, Gautam John <gau...@prathambooks.org> wrote: > >> Hi Ravi: >> >> Personally, I am all for Fair Dealing/Use activism but the problem has >> been with the folk on Commons, no? That they keep deleting stuff? >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> Best, >> >> Gautam >> ________ >> http://social.prathambooks.org/ >> >> >> >> On 8 June 2011 14:51, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Sometime before, we used the word meanings from a technical glossary >>> provided by Tamil Virtual University for the Tamil Wiktionary project. Our >>> rational is that only the presentation can be copyrighted and not the word >>> or meaning. If the word or meaning itself is copyrighted, then there is no >>> point in providing that word itself. Two years later after this initiative, >>> we got the glossary donated to us formally. So, the copyright issue doesn't >>> arise any more. >>> >>> Most Governments and public institutions do mean to provide data for >>> public use though they are not aware of Wikipedia compatible license. We can >>> try contacting them and hope to get a favourable response. But, the legal >>> and bureaucratic hurdles need not stop us from delaying our initiatives for >>> too long. While I do understand the legal and philosophical significance of >>> proper license to publish things, sometimes we also need to be bold and use >>> things for larger good. Governments have many other jobs than suing us >>> everyday ! >>> >>> Ravi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Gautam John <gau...@prathambooks.org>wrote: >>> >>>> Vickram, in my opinion and that of a friend, asking for a voluntary >>>> license (18,19,30A) along with the fact that it is a transformative >>>> use is probably the best bet. If not, fair dealing but that does leave >>>> us open to a legal challenge. Aside from this, there is the issue that >>>> even if we did get a license, we then do not have the ability to >>>> re-license it out under a CC-BY-SA license as required by Wikipedia >>>> and that would also run afoul of the fair dealing clause. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Gautam >>>> ________ >>>> http://social.prathambooks.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8 June 2011 05:17, Vickram Crishna <vvcris...@radiophony.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Gautam John <gau...@prathambooks.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> On 8 June 2011 01:03, Vickram Crishna <vvcris...@radiophony.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> My reading is that the Census Authority is very much a part of >>>> >> government. A question that I have been thinking about is whether >>>> >> census data (in the raw form and not the presentation) is capable of >>>> >> being copyrighted. >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > Aside from the supposition that the raw data is not in fact >>>> copyrightable in >>>> > the first place, which is probably true, even if never tested, the law >>>> > clearly provides for grant of permission for data to be represented in >>>> > another form, such as sound or visual forms. It seems clear that the >>>> > provisions of copyright (the sections are too tediously long and >>>> legally >>>> > worded to reproduce here) are precisely applicable only to the form in >>>> which >>>> > the information is presented by the author(s). Moreover, if the >>>> presentation >>>> > of census data as published by the CA is in fact taken to be a design >>>> form >>>> > as defined by the Design Act 1911 (but to be frank I haven't looked at >>>> what >>>> > that creature is), then the copyright ceases as soon as 50 copies are >>>> > circulated, which has obviously already happened if the data is >>>> online. >>>> > I believe that mapped data represents precisely such alternate forms, >>>> > especially if it is dynamically presented (but even if it is not). >>>> Making it >>>> > dynamic is of course a highly useful form, one that I do not believe >>>> the >>>> > census authority has yet conceived. The census authority cannot refuse >>>> > permission for such presentation. If they do not publish the >>>> information as >>>> > is planned by our colleagues, then their copyright effectively lapses >>>> in any >>>> > case, for which proof an advertisement saying that (ie that no mapped >>>> data >>>> > as has been proposed has been published) must be published in a >>>> popular >>>> > newspaper (in English newspaper, for English language mapping, >>>> vernacular >>>> > for vernacular mapping). Unfortunately, it says nothing (that I can >>>> find) >>>> > about a public announcement on the Net, so maybe this advertisement >>>> stuff in >>>> > newspapers is the only path. >>>> > It seems that one must apply in the prescribed form for licensing >>>> > permission, but also note that it is not possible to refuse permission >>>> for >>>> > such applications, if the end use is scientific research or >>>> educational, and >>>> > also for non-commercial purposes, provided the end use is in the form >>>> of a >>>> > translation. However, this permission is only automatic after 3 and 7 >>>> years >>>> > (subject to relevant conditions) from the date of first publication. >>>> Even >>>> > here, I put it that the date of first publication is the date when the >>>> first >>>> > Census was published, and not the current census. I think that would >>>> take it >>>> > back to the early 20th century, and perhaps that might also mean that >>>> the >>>> > government does not (heh, heh) in fact have the right to exclusive >>>> copyright >>>> > of census data (even for the 'upgraded' 60 year copyright). >>>> > The relevant clauses are: >>>> > 1. Specificity: Sec 14 >>>> > 2. Design: Sec 15(2) >>>> > 3. Government ownership: Sec 17(d) and (dd) >>>> > 4. Compulsory licensing: Sec 31 (note that the RoC may assign some >>>> copyright >>>> > fee payable to the government, but prima facie it is unlikely they >>>> will do >>>> > so in this case) >>>> > 5. Automatic permission for translations etc: Sec 32 (sec 5(b) >>>> specifically >>>> > provides for 'broadcasting') >>>> > 6. Automatic permission for technical stuff: Sec 32A >>>> > 7. Right to broadcast: Sec 37 (worth checking!) >>>> > 8. Automatic visual recording for teaching: Sec 39 >>>> > 9. Possible challenge to government copyright of census data: Sec 44 >>>> > (register of copyrights: quite possible that the census information >>>> has not >>>> > been registered under the Act, and if so makes it impossible for the >>>> > government to take action against any form of infringement - sec 50A >>>> > provides for publication of registrations in the Gazette) >>>> > 10. 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