Hoi.
Sorry I do get things wrong.. I trust to have them right in Wikidata.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 30 April 2014 14:10, sibi kanagaraj <civil.si...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Gerard ,
>
> Sorry to interrupt the discussion .
>
> Small correction
>
> //I added that Mr Modi is the incumbent prime minister of Gujarati state
> in Wikidata.//
>
> Modi is actually incumbent Chief Minister(not Prime minister ) of Gujarat
> (Not Gujarati - Which is a language ) .
>
> -Sibi
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> I am a Wikimedian and have been for a very long time. Check my record and
>> you will find that I have always been involved in both language support and
>> projects like Wiktionary, OmegaWiki, Wikidata, Reasonator.
>>
>> Today new functionality has gone life on Wikidata that was expected for
>> over half a year. Because of this the Marwari language is now supported in
>> Wikidata. I blogged about this [1]. Other languages will follow soon. This
>> policy was discussed with people from India in the past and they saw it as
>> an appropriate strategy to start building information resources in a
>> language prior to a Wikipedia or another WMF project.
>>
>> India is big and it is foolish to forget context and not seek support and
>> second opinions when people in India are likely to benefit directly. On the
>> other hand, you can bring a horse to water, you cannot make it drink. When
>> I blogged about an enhancement to the search functionality on the Telugu
>> Wikipedia [2], it should be obvious that added value will only be found
>> when people add labels in Telugu to Wikidata. It is gratifying that labels
>> have been added. This is not an experiment as traffic details from the
>> Tamil and Persian Wikipedia indicate it as a successful strategy.
>>
>> I am not involved in Indian politics. Obviously. I am however improving
>> information about the current members of the Lok Sabha. I added that Mr
>> Modi is the incumbent prime minister of Gujarati state in Wikidata. I have
>> blogged about one member of the Lok Sabha and I am likely to do so again.
>> My objective is to get labels in all the languages of India for all of them
>> and I will not be the one doing that. My hope is that information is
>> readily available on Indian politics and its politicians.
>>
>> What we will gain out of it is a better understanding on how such
>> projects work. A much bigger challenge are the elections of South Africa.
>> What we may gain out of it is that Wikidata becomes a platform where this
>> type of information is available. Much of the information in Wikidata finds
>> its origin in Wikipedia. It is because of the hard work in the English
>> Wikipedia that we are able to add information. The point however is that
>> information can become available in every other language. That is not an
>> experiment, it is a fact.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2014/04/wikidata-marwari-language-from-india.html
>> [2]
>> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2014/04/wikipedia-search-for-in-telugu.html
>>
>>
>> On 30 April 2014 10:00, Ravishankar <ravidre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> As I engaged in the discussion regarding CIS grant proposal for the last
>>> two weeks, I had this recurring theme echoed from various corners.
>>>
>>> "India is big. India is diverse. India is unlike other countries. So,
>>> experiments (call it innovation) need to be done".
>>>
>>> For the love of Wiki God, may I request all the global people to stop
>>> experiementing with India?
>>>
>>> *People from outside have no clue of India. And the people they hire in
>>> India have no clue of the Wikimedia movement. *
>>>
>>> Ultimately, it has become like few blind people describing an elephant.
>>>
>>> Heck, all the community members know it is an elephant and know it takes
>>> time to grow an elephant. The growth of an elephant can only be on par with
>>> the ecosystem within which it is present.
>>>
>>> No amount of systematic intervention is going to change a donkey into an
>>> elephant.
>>>
>>> I am tired of seeing experiments being done in naive and tiny Indic
>>> communities and the "lessons learnt" being implemented in Brazil, Egypt and
>>> Arab world. Be it Google or be it WMF or its avatars.
>>>
>>> May I request that you do your experiments elsewhere for a change and
>>> implement things that work for sure in India organically?
>>>
>>> The reason why English Wikipedia community flourishes in India, Tamil /
>>> Bengali / Malayalam communities do well relatively are complete socio
>>> economic and political. No amount of intervention is going to change this
>>> in other parts of the country. This is like providing rice bags to the poor
>>> of the third world without fixing their primary socio political issues.
>>>
>>> Wikipedia doesn't exist in isolation in a web ecosystem. It is the
>>> culmination of scholarly activity of highest order that you can imagine.
>>> When languages that are official languages of states and countries, have
>>> two decades long web presence, have a thriving local print / visual media
>>> and academic network have a problem growing their Wikipedias, I can't
>>> understand what the h*ll is being done in Wikipedias that are not even out
>>> of incubators, Wikipedias that don't even have a writing system in order.
>>>
>>> Few years back Google dumped paid translated articles done with the aid
>>> machine translation tools in many Indic language communities and sermoned
>>> us that these will bring us a community. Now, WMF's programs are sermoning
>>> us that their attempt at seeding communities will bring articles for us. I
>>> am 100% sure that both approaches are futile.
>>>
>>> I really miss the once thriving Indian Wiki community that organized the
>>> world's biggest Wiki conference.
>>>
>>> I really miss the cross-wiki activism like
>>>
>>>
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Tinucherian_and_Shijualex/Wiki_Community_development_in_India_and_newsletter/Report
>>>
>>> I really miss the spirit of the Wiki community getting replaced by
>>> confusions brought because of top-down paid interventions.
>>>
>>> The only hope I have is that at least few mature communities will take
>>> stock of the situation, stay autonomous and self-sustaining as they were
>>> and continue to enjoy the pleasure of Wiki activity instead of getting
>>> drowned in numbers, goals, targets and dream targets.
>>>
>>> Ravi
>>>
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