Dear Bodhisattwa And Wikimedians From West Bengal User Group, Either it be the executive committee members at Wikimedia India or the staff at Access to knowledge team at CIS, the crux of the problem has been having no women Wikimedian having any representation, hence a larger void for the unheard voices in decision making and platform for representation.
Could be that West Bengal User Group introspect here and decide on keeping Women community members outside this clause. Abhinav On Tuesday, 19 February 2019, Bodhisattwa Mandal < bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Ashwin, > > Sorry for the late reply. I was busy with other things. > > What I wanted to say that this user group values online contribution the > most because at the end of the day, Wikimedia is an online project and the > volunteer online community is the heart of the movement. That doesn't mean > that those who contribute offline cannot be a Representative Member, but > for that he or she has to do a certain amount of editing, as I said in my > earlier mail, that one who contributes online for a long time understands > the community dynamics and the issues better. We completely understand that > edit count is not the best criteria to evaluate, but that's the only > parameter we have right now. 10,000 is just a number which denotes > consistency and dedication to the movement, and unlike many affiliates, we > want dedicated Wikimedians to lead us to the right direction. If there is > disagreement with the number 10,000, we can discuss and work upon that. It > is not an unchangeable parameter at all. > > Regards, > Bodhisattwa > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2019, 16:33 balaji <balajijagad...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi Bodhi >> >> Just curious to know what is the meaning of non bot edit. ? Will the semi >> automatted edits come under non bot or bot edits ? Also the automated edits >> using different applications done under a non bot account will it come >> under non bot edit or bot edit ? >> >> Regards, >> J.Balaji. >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 10:56 AM Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.bain...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> Just saying... tens of thousands of edits seems far too large a number >>> for a person to qualify for membership of your EC. Gives substance for >>> the argument of number of edits being used to exclude people by >>> drastically reducing the number of people qualified. Arguments about >>> "process" accepted by a community does not hold water. Much more >>> logical would have been a fairly large number so that EC members are >>> experienced but not so large that people can be kept out on that >>> pretext, such as 3000 to 5000 range. Ten thousand image uploads to >>> Commons is rubbish. Hardly anyone can put up a thousand images or more >>> which are of encyclopedic value. Commons is not meant to be a place >>> where thousands of images are dumped without reference to quality, >>> utility, educational value etc. >>> >>> I don't edit on Bn WP and my User name is AshLin. I applaud good work >>> done by individual editors of Bengali community and in some cases by >>> the community as a whole. But I am just being frank here in telling it >>> like it is. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 2:06 PM Bodhisattwa Mandal >>> <bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Samir, >>> > >>> > Although your mail had baseless allegations against the user group >>> without any references, but anyway, thanks for your reply. Please note >>> that, this is not an official reply from the user group, as the >>> representative committee, which is to be formed in very near future, may >>> consider to respond officially, if needed at all. This is my completely >>> personal reply as I have started the thread to inform the larger community. >>> > >>> >> The content of the bylaws are very disturbing. It sees like a >>> executive club purposely made to leave some people leave. The Wikipedia >>> culture is quite open and this kind of policies is made by some people nd >>> passed in a small amount of window gives only bad vibes to the other Wiki >>> community. Accept my Condolences to all people who got thrown out of the >>> user group because some people decided to make all about "number of >>> edits". As if that is the only thing a member can contribute towards >>> progress of Wikimedia. >>> > >>> > >>> > If you have read the bylaws carefully, you can see that the user group >>> is open to all Wikimedia account holders, who can become General members >>> just by signing up. No one is thrown out as you say. To become a >>> representative of the user group, a general member needs to pass some >>> criteria, which was set up after community consultation, because >>> representing user group in a forum is a serious affair. The user group >>> decided to take account of online editing for representative membership, >>> because a person who edits and work online with the community closely >>> understands the issues and dynamics of the community better than who >>> doesn't. No one objected to that when that article was raised for >>> discussion. Byt the way, what is the executive club anyway? Never heard of >>> it. >>> > >>> >> >>> >> Even sad is people are congratulating instead of expressing concerns >>> over the type of bullying done openly to Wikimedians of West Bengal. I am >>> happy thati left its nd I not there in it animore >>> > >>> > >>> > Can you please refer where the bullying was done to Wikimedians of >>> West Bengal regarding the bylaws, where everyone congratulated in stead of >>> expressing concerns? We had opened up the draft for community consultation >>> for one month (see talk page) and had online meetups for general members. I >>> cant remember any bullying in any discussion. I remember each and every >>> user who participated in the discussions, but there was no user named Samir >>> or likewise. Maybe I am having some memory loss again and others can help >>> me remember better. >>> > >>> > Sorry to hear that you are not there anymore, but you are not where? >>> Can you please specify. I have just checked the history of the general >>> members, couldn't find anyone with user name Samir. May be you have a >>> different user name, but that I don't know. >>> > >>> >> >>> >> It is to say that the editors working in wiki data are not having any >>> knolej. And other of them are disqalified. This is nothing more than >>> hitlership and if they are going in this way, the User Group, then I am sad >>> for everyone who have to go through this harassment. >>> > >>> > >>> > Where did you learn that the user group stated that the editors >>> working in Wikidata have no knowledge? Please cite that. Do you even know >>> that one of the main arena of work of the user group is to improve Wikidata >>> entries of different aspects of West Bengal. If you don't know that, >>> consider checking Wikidata:WikiProject West Bengal. Anyway, please keep >>> your false assumptions with you. >>> > >>> >> "Ache din aayenge", I guess inisited of goin further, we are only >>> going in back. >>> > >>> > >>> > The bylaw was passed after community consultation and with full >>> agreement with the general members who attended the meetup regarding the >>> bylaw. Although you didn't take time to discuss when it was being done, but >>> still If you have any recommendation or suggestion or grievances, you are >>> always welcome to suggest that in the talk page of the bylaw, so that >>> maybe, Representative Committee can consider them, in future to move the >>> user group forward. >>> > >>> > Your mail had baseless allegations against user group without any >>> references. Next time, please at least find some references and at least >>> provide your user name, so that everyone can understand your contribution >>> and motive. Otherwise dont expect a reply. >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > Bodhisattwa >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Warm regards, >>> >>> Ashwin Baindur >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >
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