Thanks for the reply, Bodhisattwa. I have given my viewpoint. I guess its for the Bengali Wikimedian community now to decide whether or not the current limits of edits are a barrier or not. And of course consider any other points of view put forward too.
On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 4:00 PM Bodhisattwa Mandal <bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Ashwin, > > Sorry for the late reply. I was busy with other things. > > What I wanted to say that this user group values online contribution the most > because at the end of the day, Wikimedia is an online project and the > volunteer online community is the heart of the movement. That doesn't mean > that those who contribute offline cannot be a Representative Member, but for > that he or she has to do a certain amount of editing, as I said in my earlier > mail, that one who contributes online for a long time understands the > community dynamics and the issues better. We completely understand that edit > count is not the best criteria to evaluate, but that's the only parameter we > have right now. 10,000 is just a number which denotes consistency and > dedication to the movement, and unlike many affiliates, we want dedicated > Wikimedians to lead us to the right direction. If there is disagreement with > the number 10,000, we can discuss and work upon that. It is not an > unchangeable parameter at all. > > Regards, > Bodhisattwa > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2019, 16:33 balaji <balajijagad...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hi Bodhi >> >> Just curious to know what is the meaning of non bot edit. ? Will the semi >> automatted edits come under non bot or bot edits ? Also the automated edits >> using different applications done under a non bot account will it come under >> non bot edit or bot edit ? >> >> Regards, >> J.Balaji. >> >> On Thu, Feb 14, 2019, 10:56 AM Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.bain...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> Just saying... tens of thousands of edits seems far too large a number >>> for a person to qualify for membership of your EC. Gives substance for >>> the argument of number of edits being used to exclude people by >>> drastically reducing the number of people qualified. Arguments about >>> "process" accepted by a community does not hold water. Much more >>> logical would have been a fairly large number so that EC members are >>> experienced but not so large that people can be kept out on that >>> pretext, such as 3000 to 5000 range. Ten thousand image uploads to >>> Commons is rubbish. Hardly anyone can put up a thousand images or more >>> which are of encyclopedic value. Commons is not meant to be a place >>> where thousands of images are dumped without reference to quality, >>> utility, educational value etc. >>> >>> I don't edit on Bn WP and my User name is AshLin. I applaud good work >>> done by individual editors of Bengali community and in some cases by >>> the community as a whole. But I am just being frank here in telling it >>> like it is. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 2:06 PM Bodhisattwa Mandal >>> <bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Samir, >>> > >>> > Although your mail had baseless allegations against the user group >>> > without any references, but anyway, thanks for your reply. Please note >>> > that, this is not an official reply from the user group, as the >>> > representative committee, which is to be formed in very near future, may >>> > consider to respond officially, if needed at all. This is my completely >>> > personal reply as I have started the thread to inform the larger >>> > community. >>> > >>> >> The content of the bylaws are very disturbing. It sees like a executive >>> >> club purposely made to leave some people leave. The Wikipedia culture is >>> >> quite open and this kind of policies is made by some people nd passed in >>> >> a small amount of window gives only bad vibes to the other Wiki >>> >> community. Accept my Condolences to all people who got thrown out of the >>> >> user group because some people decided to make all about "number of >>> >> edits". As if that is the only thing a member can contribute towards >>> >> progress of Wikimedia. >>> > >>> > >>> > If you have read the bylaws carefully, you can see that the user group is >>> > open to all Wikimedia account holders, who can become General members >>> > just by signing up. No one is thrown out as you say. To become a >>> > representative of the user group, a general member needs to pass some >>> > criteria, which was set up after community consultation, because >>> > representing user group in a forum is a serious affair. The user group >>> > decided to take account of online editing for representative membership, >>> > because a person who edits and work online with the community closely >>> > understands the issues and dynamics of the community better than who >>> > doesn't. No one objected to that when that article was raised for >>> > discussion. Byt the way, what is the executive club anyway? Never heard >>> > of it. >>> > >>> >> >>> >> Even sad is people are congratulating instead of expressing concerns >>> >> over the type of bullying done openly to Wikimedians of West Bengal. I >>> >> am happy thati left its nd I not there in it animore >>> > >>> > >>> > Can you please refer where the bullying was done to Wikimedians of West >>> > Bengal regarding the bylaws, where everyone congratulated in stead of >>> > expressing concerns? We had opened up the draft for community >>> > consultation for one month (see talk page) and had online meetups for >>> > general members. I cant remember any bullying in any discussion. I >>> > remember each and every user who participated in the discussions, but >>> > there was no user named Samir or likewise. Maybe I am having some memory >>> > loss again and others can help me remember better. >>> > >>> > Sorry to hear that you are not there anymore, but you are not where? Can >>> > you please specify. I have just checked the history of the general >>> > members, couldn't find anyone with user name Samir. May be you have a >>> > different user name, but that I don't know. >>> > >>> >> >>> >> It is to say that the editors working in wiki data are not having any >>> >> knolej. And other of them are disqalified. This is nothing more than >>> >> hitlership and if they are going in this way, the User Group, then I am >>> >> sad for everyone who have to go through this harassment. >>> > >>> > >>> > Where did you learn that the user group stated that the editors working >>> > in Wikidata have no knowledge? Please cite that. Do you even know that >>> > one of the main arena of work of the user group is to improve Wikidata >>> > entries of different aspects of West Bengal. If you don't know that, >>> > consider checking Wikidata:WikiProject West Bengal. Anyway, please keep >>> > your false assumptions with you. >>> > >>> >> "Ache din aayenge", I guess inisited of goin further, we are only going >>> >> in back. >>> > >>> > >>> > The bylaw was passed after community consultation and with full agreement >>> > with the general members who attended the meetup regarding the bylaw. >>> > Although you didn't take time to discuss when it was being done, but >>> > still If you have any recommendation or suggestion or grievances, you are >>> > always welcome to suggest that in the talk page of the bylaw, so that >>> > maybe, Representative Committee can consider them, in future to move the >>> > user group forward. >>> > >>> > Your mail had baseless allegations against user group without any >>> > references. Next time, please at least find some references and at least >>> > provide your user name, so that everyone can understand your contribution >>> > and motive. Otherwise dont expect a reply. >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > Bodhisattwa >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Warm regards, >>> >>> Ashwin Baindur >>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
