Greetings, these days I often get 2 emails when someone sends an email to a list. One from the mailing list and another from the Wikimedia Space. Anyway, I am not worried about the Wiki-identity/username part here, nor I asked that. However, conclusions were made really fast. I am unsure if it can be called Whistleblowing. Thanks User:Titodutta (Wikipedia editor, post in personal capacity)
On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 08:31, Arvind Menon <tnkp...@gmail.com> wrote: > First of all I am not spreading any lies. Please check what information I > received from WMF Community Program Director > > '''Hi Arvind, Krishna had been working on a contract with Community > Programs but that wrapped up a couple of months ago. ''' > > Now Krishna has also accepted he was on contract and said there is > documentation and would provide details in likely 1-2 days. Now 3-4 days > have passed and wish the details can be shared. > > I could not find any User page with his name and in bracket WMF or > Contract and also any Meta page where it is written. This always happen > everytime with WMF Contractors. > > How was the selection process done? This is also not clear and no mention > in the reply. If it is a lateral entry and that too without announcement > and documentation this raises serious doubts on WMF. > > NOTE - This is not a fake profile. I will share my User Name when I feel > comfortable that no one will harass me. Learn to protect the identity of > Whistleblower. I will definitely share my User Name and clear everyone do > not worry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 at 00:44, Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> Hello. >> >> If you feel WMF was misled into hiring a non-competent Hindi speaker for >> liaising with the Hindi community, I encourage you to write to the >> Foundation's Human Resources department at h...@wikimedia.org, and it will >> be reviewed, and if necessary, whatever procedural flaw caused it will be >> rectified. >> >> This mailing list cannot address this issue. >> >> A. >> >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 21:48 Piyush Maurya <piyush93...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Sivaraam, >>> >>> But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about part-time hired people >>> serving for 6 months or so on specific projects serving for specific >>> language communities. In India on account of Hindi's largest user base >>> Foundation chooses it whenever a new project comes in for getting input. >>> Mostly these positions are called 'liaison'. >>> >>> They get paid and mostly these job's information not get publicly >>> available (like mailing list or village pump but maybe on the link you >>> gave). Whenever a new initiative takes place in foundation, these newly >>> made positions get filled up by people who doesn't have the confidence of >>> the community and in severe cases can't even write Hindi! >>> >>> This is a important issue for our community. More information on this >>> will be helpful. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> Piyush >>> (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी) >>> >>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2020, 9:23 pm Piyush Maurya, <piyush93...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Krishna and all, >>>> >>>> Thanks for very detailed clarification. I agree this was some kind of >>>> dubious statement without any credibility (which my comment showed). >>>> >>>> But to get some real outcome of this discussion if any. I want to know >>>> how the foundation chooses or appoints people for posts roll out for >>>> communities. I have been witness to several such cases in the past year or >>>> so where such posts got filled by someone without community consultation or >>>> knowledge. >>>> >>>> I'm talking about Hindi Wikimedia community in this case. What is the >>>> procedure for applying for these posts. We get several people here who >>>> doesn't know how to write Hindi and are serving as communication bridge or >>>> liaison. And they seem to be getting these (they get paid) jobs by some >>>> kind of connection among themselves. >>>> >>>> Many thanks, >>>> Piyush >>>> (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 8:29 pm Tito Dutta, <trulyt...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree. It rushed towards a conclusion without caring about questions >>>>> and discussion. There was not much good faith assumed as well, in my >>>>> opinion. >>>>> >>>>> (My opinion is in personal capacity) >>>>> --User:Titodutta >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020, 7:34 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga < >>>>> kcvel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> Firstly, I would like to condemn this email from a person named >>>>>> “Arvind Menon” - this email is very much a personal attack on me, to >>>>>> misguide a community member, character assasination and to defame, all >>>>>> using a fake profile. If the person is actually seeking any information >>>>>> for >>>>>> community benefit, as Piyush rightly pointed, it would be helpful to know >>>>>> the person’s Wikimedia identity, and their work. Otherwise, this can >>>>>> merely >>>>>> be regarded as an ad hominem attack, which has happened several times in >>>>>> the past on this mailing list. >>>>>> >>>>>> Before I go into details, I have been very disturbed by this email, >>>>>> as several people were asking me, and I was pressurised. I personally >>>>>> request community members to look for authenticity before considering >>>>>> anything. I fear this might become a practice to target people just by >>>>>> creating fake profiles/emails, and wrongfully nameshaming them on public >>>>>> platforms, without complete understanding. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regarding my role with WMF, firstly, there was a contract, but I did >>>>>> not have any employment, and do not hold any. There has been public >>>>>> documentation about it, and stating there wasn't any is untrue. All the >>>>>> relevant details+evidence will be put forward. I have asked WMF support >>>>>> regarding the same, and they would be giving further on this shortly >>>>>> (probably in a day or two) after this email. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like to particularly focus on the WikiConference India part. >>>>>> My relation with WMF has nothing to do with the grant, and no benefit of >>>>>> the same has been applied in either of the contexts. Though initially >>>>>> people expressed concerns, many of them, after clarifying, went on to >>>>>> support the proposal, and it gained more than 40 endorsements >>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/WikiConference_India_2020#Endorsements> >>>>>> from community members, which shows the community is in favour of the >>>>>> proposal and the conference. WMF comments were not against it. We created >>>>>> FAQs >>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Conference/WikiConference_India_2020#FAQs> >>>>>> on the grant page itself to help community members understand the reasons >>>>>> behind it, and even all the questions on talk page were answered. We also >>>>>> mentioned that “all bills worth valuing more than ₹30,000.00 will be >>>>>> publicly published” - this demonstrates transparency, in an attempt >>>>>> to establish a new practice. Anyway, the entire Conference and Event >>>>>> Grants >>>>>> program has been paused due to COVID-19 pandemic, and none of the >>>>>> proposals >>>>>> forwarded from the initial stage. >>>>>> >>>>>> I provided clarification even though the initial email doesn’t >>>>>> address me or respectfully seeks any information. I am taking this effort >>>>>> to provide detailed clarification, for the sake of community members and >>>>>> understanding only. This email, though posted by a fake profile, created >>>>>> great stress, and almost spoiled my entire day. I once again request the >>>>>> community to be careful of random postings with unidentifiable >>>>>> identities. >>>>>> I wonder if there is any way further such personal attacks can be >>>>>> avoided, >>>>>> towards any community member. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Krishna Chaitanya V. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2020, 20:55 Piyush Maurya, <piyush93...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Arvind, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are many cases where WMF appointed someone for x community and >>>>>>> community didn't know nothing about it until the process is over. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Transparency is lacking in the foundation's working environment. If >>>>>>> you share your username or what you do in the Wikimedia projects it will >>>>>>> give your comments some value. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards, >>>>>>> Piyush >>>>>>> (User:हिंदुस्थान वासी) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2020, 4:50 pm Arvind Menon, <tnkp...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The individual grantee for Wikiconference India 2020 grant had >>>>>>>> secretly done a WMF Contract job with the Community Program Team some >>>>>>>> month >>>>>>>> ago. There was no public announcement for the job so I believe no >>>>>>>> selection >>>>>>>> process or hidden selection and no public documentation that he was >>>>>>>> working. My question is why was he given the job depriving other >>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>> members from India who want to work but apply and get rejected. What >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> the need of WMF to hide the process by not informing or documenting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So on Wikiconference India grant WMF was applying to WMF and WMF >>>>>>>> was going to accept WMF grant. Atleast from WMF grant comments it looks >>>>>>>> because community blamed grant taking so much money. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To me, this is utter misuse of power and abuse of donation money. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>>>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >>> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >
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