On 18 February 2010 15:57, Charles Matthews
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Thomas Dalton wrote:
>> On 18 February 2010 11:32, Charles Matthews
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
> <snip>
>>> If an organisation underprices itself in terms of membership, it affects
>>> expectations (of what it will do for the members, of what the members
>>> can agitate to have happen).
>>>
>>
>> We don't do anything for members. We're a charity, we have to benefit
>> the public at large, not members. Members are supposed to do something
>> for us.
>>
> Wikimedians work on various WMF projects (I'm active on two) and if the
> chapter's work supports a project on which a member is active, that is
> certainly doing something for the member. No dichotomy here, therefore.
> In fact your argument is fairly horrible unless enWP is supposed to be
> the dominant project, because "Joe Public"'s interest is very largely in
> that site. And also would seem to undermine, say, having a newsletter.
> Please reconsider how you have framed this.

I edit the projects. I don't benefit from that. The people that read
what I write benefit. I do it as an act of charity. A newsletter helps
me benefit others better, it doesn't benefit me.

>> Membership fees are never going to be a significant proportion of our
>> budget. Even if we charge £12 and have 500 members, that's only going
>> to be about 10% of our budget, and that's assuming we don't raise more
>> in future fundraisers than we did this year (and we almost certainly
>> will). The thought process that the board went through was to realise
>> that it doesn't actually make any real difference to our finances what
>> the membership fee is, so we should choose a membership fee that is
>> likely to get us the best membership (which is a balance between
>> numbers and commitment). We thought £5 was a good choice for that.
>>
>>
> Well, I was talking about people who know the value of money, and
> calling 10% of the budget insignificant doesn't qualify. The option
> chosen is basically a registration fee.

10% was an absolute maximum. Realistically, it won't be anywhere near
that much. Realistically, I would say reducing the membership fee
will, at worst, reduce out budget by 1%.

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