Hi Tom, I'm not sure if my experience is more than yours (5 years ish) but I will be doing this "hands on". I'm intending to use the real wikipedia so it I may need to find some support to rollback damage. (Any volunteers out there - leave a message off list) I have asked classes to get accounts and I have noticed silly stuff already on the school page. Its protected now! It will be an "interesting experiment"
regards Roger On 3 June 2011 22:17, Thomas Morton <[email protected]> wrote: > Roger, > > Would be interested to see if Martin made any progress with that. I have to > submit lesson plans next week so hopefully might have something of my own to > contribute by then. > > Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things differently, > and kids in different areas age at different speeds. > > On the other matter; you're clearly way more experienced at this teaching > lark than me :) but personally I find that this is the sort of thing that is > best taught by "doing". One thing I did with on old teaching group (last > year) was set up a cloned wiki with some content copied from Wikipedia and > got them to edit it over the course of a few sessions > (including collaborating using talk pages etc.) One of the biggest problems > with new editors is helping them understand the eco-system. > > Tom > > On 1 June 2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put >> together a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an >> enevening course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether >> Martin made any progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there >> are a lot of people who would like to put their local history work into >> Wikipedia ... if we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time. >> >> Other thread. I teach secondary ICT. I'm planning to teach intro to Wiki >> editting next week. I have still to find some resources. Any help >> appreciated. >> >> regards >> Roger B >> >> On 1 June 2011 17:34, Alex Stinson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> There is an education list at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education which appears to >>> be one of the better ways to contact people because not everyone regularly >>> checks outreach wiki (including myself). I invite people to join who want to >>> work with Education and Wikimedia projects, it include a fair number of >>> Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative stuff at universities as well as >>> a number of other people in various chapters involved in education stuffs, >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas Morton < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Alex, >>>> >>>> Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of >>>> content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my current >>>> focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my experience >>>> of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more material on >>>> the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point before >>>> leaping into account creation :)). >>>> >>>> Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing >>>> Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly different perspective - >>>> which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested in >>>> writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia article. >>>> On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource (and the >>>> potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with respect >>>> (i.e. quit the vandalism). >>>> >>>> Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching >>>> materials is happening? >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I >>>>> thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities for >>>>> too long. >>>>> >>>>> Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some development >>>>> in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information. You may >>>>> want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf project >>>>> for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them yourself ( >>>>> http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been >>>>> developing a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, >>>>> though still a work in progress ( >>>>> http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot has already been >>>>> developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to be applied in the >>>>> class room, >>>>> >>>>> Alex >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Chris, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try >>>>>> and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active project >>>>>> that >>>>>> I'd missed :P >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm based in Lincolnshire. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Alex, >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks >>>>>> like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student again >>>>>> :)). >>>>>> Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think >>>>>> would >>>>>> net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in hearing >>>>>> about your work with the high school professors. >>>>>> >>>>>> In general: >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader here >>>>>> & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to schools >>>>>> on >>>>>> the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive experience of that >>>>>> sort >>>>>> of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest now is that >>>>>> I've >>>>>> been approached to look at doing an evening class on computers and the >>>>>> internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to cover >>>>>> is >>>>>> Wikipedia and WP editing. >>>>>> >>>>>> I could put together some teaching material & release it for others to >>>>>> use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could expand >>>>>> into >>>>>> if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching bodies to >>>>>> get >>>>>> WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the curriculum >>>>>> (at >>>>>> the very least work with them to provide useful material for >>>>>> teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the training >>>>>> events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really >>>>>> interesting >>>>>> to explore. >>>>>> >>>>>> Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some >>>>>> of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of >>>>>> kids >>>>>> turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and to >>>>>> get >>>>>> an introduction to Wikipedia). >>>>>> >>>>>> And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support >>>>>> Wikipedia volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because >>>>>> teaching >>>>>> kids can be damned hard! >>>>>> >>>>>> There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most important >>>>>> outreach areas in the UK. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it >>>>>>> mentioned at all since the new Board took office. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, that >>>>>>> would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is the status of our work with schools/education? >>>>>>>> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems to >>>>>>>> be a little stagnant, there are references to other School >>>>>>>> interactions on >>>>>>>> the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the >>>>>>>> educational >>>>>>>> budget). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is any of this still active? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some in-school >>>>>>>> work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this is a major >>>>>>>> area >>>>>>>> we could be focusing on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, >>>>>>>> schools and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a >>>>>>>> wider >>>>>>>> scale. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be >>>>>>>> interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into >>>>>>>> schools and >>>>>>>> youth groups)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tom / ErrantX >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Roger Bamkin >> (aka Victuallers) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > -- Roger Bamkin (aka Victuallers)
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