There is a lot of interesting stuff here... I've been swamped with email the last few days and only just catching up so bear with me :D
Roger, you have way more experience than me! So I am glad we agree on the best way to approach this. A few years back I watched someone do a power point presentation about Wikipedia, bored me solid :P r.e. "fake" wikipedia, I came up with this idea after trying to teach my cousins about WP, and then had a bit of an issue where they vandalised some bits :( Last year I just copied over some articles, of varying quality, to a sandbox wiki and let them loose on it :) There was content to merge back in the end, which was nice! Next year, if I get chance to do a "full" program I want to try and set up a sandbox wiki about the school - so they can add information about the school etc. - and hopefully work through issues such as BLP, copyvio or sourcing as they arise as discussion points. And also try to build a bit of an eco-system with some admins etc. so they get an idea of how an "online community" might work. Somewhat ambitious but over the course of a full school year could be fun. If you need help with rollback (or admin help) feel free to ping me, if I am available happy to help. Tom On 5 June 2011 11:39, Roger Bamkin <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Tom, > > I'm not sure if my experience is more than yours (5 years ish) but I will > be doing this "hands on". I'm intending to use the real wikipedia so it I > may need to find some support to rollback damage. (Any volunteers out there > - leave a message off list) I have asked classes to get accounts and I have > noticed silly stuff already on the school page. Its protected now! It will > be an "interesting experiment" > > regards > Roger > > On 3 June 2011 22:17, Thomas Morton <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Roger, >> >> Would be interested to see if Martin made any progress with that. I have >> to submit lesson plans next week so hopefully might have something of my own >> to contribute by then. >> >> Pitching this stuff is hard; kids at different ages see things >> differently, and kids in different areas age at different speeds. >> >> On the other matter; you're clearly way more experienced at this teaching >> lark than me :) but personally I find that this is the sort of thing that is >> best taught by "doing". One thing I did with on old teaching group (last >> year) was set up a cloned wiki with some content copied from Wikipedia and >> got them to edit it over the course of a few sessions >> (including collaborating using talk pages etc.) One of the biggest problems >> with new editors is helping them understand the eco-system. >> >> Tom >> >> On 1 June 2011 22:36, Roger Bamkin <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Two minor threads: Martin Poulter and I discussed how we could put >>> together a teaching plan so that someone like yourself could organise an >>> enevening course in "creating your own wiki page" ... not sure whether >>> Martin made any progress. I know he was investigating ... I suspect there >>> are a lot of people who would like to put their local history work into >>> Wikipedia ... if we just explained it and demo ed it at the same time. >>> >>> Other thread. I teach secondary ICT. I'm planning to teach intro to Wiki >>> editting next week. I have still to find some resources. Any help >>> appreciated. >>> >>> regards >>> Roger B >>> >>> On 1 June 2011 17:34, Alex Stinson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> There is an education list at >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education which appears to >>>> be one of the better ways to contact people because not everyone regularly >>>> checks outreach wiki (including myself). I invite people to join who want >>>> to >>>> work with Education and Wikimedia projects, it include a fair number of >>>> Campus Ambassadors who are doing innovative stuff at universities as well >>>> as >>>> a number of other people in various chapters involved in education stuffs, >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Thomas Morton < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Alex, >>>>> >>>>> Yes a lot of that has been my starting point. FWIW there is a lack of >>>>> content for the younger age groups (say 14-16) which is where my current >>>>> focus is; the "beginner" guides are more suited (at least in my experience >>>>> of teaching) to older students. I'd also like to see some more material on >>>>> the goals/ideals of Wikipedia (as that seems a better start point before >>>>> leaping into account creation :)). >>>>> >>>>> Also I noticed that a lot of the focus is on editing or contributing >>>>> Wikipedia. I've approached this from a slightly different perspective - >>>>> which is that most of the kids I will be talking to aren't interested in >>>>> writing (and probably aren't yet capable of doing so) a Wikipedia article. >>>>> On the other hand I aim to teach them about using WP as a resource (and >>>>> the >>>>> potential pitfalls) as well as trying to get them to treat it with respect >>>>> (i.e. quit the vandalism). >>>>> >>>>> Is there a place on Outreach where discussion of education/teaching >>>>> materials is happening? >>>>> >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> On 1 June 2011 17:15, Alex Stinson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "High school professors." Yikes! Meant teachers, not professors. I >>>>>> thought I fixed that in a second read. Been working with universities for >>>>>> too long. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom, that sounds like something that could really use some development >>>>>> in the way of documented techniques or presenting the information. You >>>>>> may >>>>>> want to check out the stuff on the Wikimedia Foundation bookshelf project >>>>>> for materials you can destribute instead of making all of them yourself ( >>>>>> http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf). We also have been >>>>>> developing a fair amount of stuff at the education portal on outreach, >>>>>> though still a work in progress ( >>>>>> http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education). Alot has already been >>>>>> developed in fairly professional ways, it just needs to be applied in the >>>>>> class room, >>>>>> >>>>>> Alex >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Thomas Morton < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, that was my impression too - I have some ideas/proposals to try >>>>>>> and bring into play but didn't want to step on top of an active project >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> I'd missed :P >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm based in Lincolnshire. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alex, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been keeping a close eye on the Ambassadors project - it looks >>>>>>> like some great work (yet another reason to wish I was a student again >>>>>>> :)). >>>>>>> Expanding that into schools is a major project, but one that I think >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> net us some massive gains long term. I'd be really interested in hearing >>>>>>> about your work with the high school professors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In general: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been interested in education for a while; I'm a scout leader >>>>>>> here & my parents have their own business doing educational visits to >>>>>>> schools on the topic of astronomy (so I have fairly extensive >>>>>>> experience of >>>>>>> that sort of "business model"). The reason I have a specific interest >>>>>>> now is >>>>>>> that I've been approached to look at doing an evening class on >>>>>>> computers and >>>>>>> the internet at a local secondary school. One of the topics I want to >>>>>>> cover >>>>>>> is Wikipedia and WP editing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I could put together some teaching material & release it for others >>>>>>> to use on an ad-hoc basis, but I think there is loads more we could >>>>>>> expand >>>>>>> into if WMUK were behind it - stuff like working with the teaching >>>>>>> bodies to >>>>>>> get WP recognised as a resource, and perhaps even worked into the >>>>>>> curriculum >>>>>>> (at the very least work with them to provide useful material for >>>>>>> teachers/students about Wikipedia). In fact, something like the training >>>>>>> events Cancer Research people (but for teachers) would be really >>>>>>> interesting >>>>>>> to explore. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another off-hand idea; it would be great to try and team up with some >>>>>>> of the GLAM institutions to run educational days (i.e. have groups of >>>>>>> kids >>>>>>> turn up to learn about stuff using local and Wikipedia content, and to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> an introduction to Wikipedia). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And more; we could use WMUK resources to train up and support >>>>>>> Wikipedia volunteers who want to go into the classroom - because >>>>>>> teaching >>>>>>> kids can be damned hard! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's a lot to focus on, but I think it is one of our most >>>>>>> important outreach areas in the UK. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1 June 2011 16:40, Chris Keating <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it's been hibernating for a while. I haven't heard it >>>>>>>> mentioned at all since the new Board took office. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course, if someone wants to pick up the ball and run with it, >>>>>>>> that would be very welcome. Whereabouts are you, Tom? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Thomas Morton < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What is the status of our work with schools/education? >>>>>>>>> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Initiatives/Schools_project seems to >>>>>>>>> be a little stagnant, there are references to other School >>>>>>>>> interactions on >>>>>>>>> the Wiki (including a link to a hidden office page about the >>>>>>>>> educational >>>>>>>>> budget). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is any of this still active? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I only ask because I've been approached locally to do some >>>>>>>>> in-school work relating to Wikipedia and it occurred to me that this >>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>> major area we could be focusing on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've got a decent amount of experience working with children, >>>>>>>>> schools and educators and it would be great to contribute that on a >>>>>>>>> wider >>>>>>>>> scale. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If none of those projects are particularly active, would anyone be >>>>>>>>> interested in working on this (including volunteering to go into >>>>>>>>> schools and >>>>>>>>> youth groups)? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tom / ErrantX >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>>>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Roger Bamkin >>> (aka Victuallers) >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia UK mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >> >> > > > -- > Roger Bamkin > (aka Victuallers) > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > >
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