If they don't know what they've done wrong, what are they apologising for?
On Oct 14, 2012 12:11 PM, "Martin Poulter" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Heed Fabian's words, please, Tom. It would be paradoxical at best to
> say "we think mistakes have been made, and we're having an independent
> review to look at what went wrong, and _here's_ _specifically_ _what_
> _went_ _wrong_."
>
> With a bit of imagination and stretchy analogies, it's possible to put
> a negative spin on *any* development, and attribute the worst
> intentions to any utterance. (*Cough*
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introspection_illusion ).
>
> On 14 October 2012 11:59, Thomas Dalton <[email protected]> wrote:
> > When I was a child and got in trouble I would go up to my mum and say
> "I'm
> > sooooorrrryy". She would invariably respond "and what are you sorry for?"
> >
> > If I didn't have a good answer, the apology would have no effect.
> >
> > I don't think my upbringing was unusual in that respect.
> >
> > On Oct 14, 2012 9:48 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Tom,
> >>
> >> Please re-read the statement.
> >>
> >> The board:
> >> a) acknowledges mistakes have been made
> >> b) acknowledges that those mistakes have had a damaging impact
> >> c) identified a process (the review) which will not only look closely at
> >> what went on, but will produce "clear recommendations which will help us
> >> follow best practice in every area of governance".
> >>
> >> I think you bring very important insights which can and should help get
> >> WMUK to where it needs to be. However I don't think you help people
> grasp
> >> the importance of what you suggest when you take umbrage where it is not
> >> necessary.
> >>
> >> all the best
> >>
> >> Fabian
> >> (User:Leutha)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Tom Dalton wrote:
> >> >The board needs to learn how to write a statement that actually says
> >> >something...
> >> >
> >> >Apologising for mistakes is meaningless if you don't acknowledge what
> >> >those mistakes are. This statement comes across as defensive and empty
> >> >of actual content.
> >> >
> >> >What have you done wrong? What are you doing about fixing the problems
> >> >caused by those mistakes and making sure similar mistakes don't happen
> >> >again? That's what people want to know. If you want to wait until the
> >> >review is complete before going into details, then say that. Don't
> >> .post this kind of meaningless drivel.
> >>
> >>
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