On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:48 PM, HJ Mitchell <[email protected]> wrote:
> Tom, > > I've a lot of respect for you, and I usually agree with you. In fact, I > mostly agree with you on this issue - I would like to see the report > published sooner rather than later because even if it is absolutely > damning, it is in the charity's best interests to publish it and be seen to > be addressing the issues raised in it. > > However, it is not your decision (or mine) to make, and there is more at > stake here than a delay in the membership being able to hold the board to > account. In the worst case scenario, potentially people's jobs, WMUK's > chapter status, and the UK community's relations with the WMF and the wider > movement are at risk. Thus, it is understandable that Jon and the board > might want some time to work out what they're going to do about it before > they are lambasted for the failings (to use your word) that are being > reported on. > > Taking that into account, please moderate your tone. This is a public > mailing list and people don't want their inboxes filled with your > diatribes, and directing those diatribes at members of staff who work very > hard in the name of this charity and are limited in what they can say in > response by standards of professionalism and decency is unlikely to achieve > the result you desire and risks damaging the charity even further than the > actions you are complaining about. > > Harry Mitchell > http://enwp.org/User:HJ > Phone: 024 7698 0977 > Skype: harry_j_mitchell > > Speaking just for myself, I was actually enjoying Thomas' posts, rather than resenting them filling up my inbox. Yours, on the other hand, I did resent: for its glib pomposity. Regards, Andreas > ------------------------------ > *From:* Thomas Dalton <[email protected]> > *To:* UK Wikimedia mailing list <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 February 2013, 12:35 > *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Governance review > > On 6 February 2013 12:23, Stevie Benton <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Tom, I don't see where anyone is making excuses. > > Try reading this email thread... To use the Wiktionary definition, an > excuse is "an explanation designed to avoid or alleviate guilt or > negative judgment". > > In a statement of the form "We are (not) doing X because of Y" we call > Y an "excuse". > > > As your previous email acknowledges, the review was co-commissioned by > > Wikimedia UK and the Wikimedia Foundation. We are discussing the review > with > > the Foundation and are in the process of preparing a response. This > response > > needs to be co-ordinated on both sides, discussed, and consensus reached. > > This doesn't happen immediately. Please do be assured that we are in > regular > > contact with the WMF on this issue, as they are with us. > > As I have explained repeatedly, you do not need to discuss a response. > The response should simply say that we are now going to have an open > discussion with the community and decide where we go from here, and > you could have written that months ago. Or have you already decided > that you don't care what the community thinks and are just going to > make all the decisions about how to respond yourselves? > > > One other important point I want to address from your email below, too. > You > > say "co-commissioned a report into your own failings". This is > inaccurate as > > there are plenty of things that we do well that the report will also look > > at. > > Well, yes, I would hope you haven't failed at everything. The review > was commissioned to look at your failings, though. Obviously, to work > out what your failings are, it will have looked at things that turned > out to be fine. Trying to deny that this is about your failings is > disingenuous. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > >
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