Part of the problem here is that statuses such as city, town and village don't always get taken away if a place declines in population or over the centuries doesn't grow as fast as other cities. Case in point, in the categorisation I've been doing on commons I occasionally come across abandoned villages or churches that no longer have a village. But not "hamlets that formerly were villages".
Regards Jonathan > On 14 Sep 2015, at 08:09, Rod Ward <[email protected]> wrote: > > Lester, > > I don't think defining hamlet v village by size of population is useful. > Hamlet (place) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet_(place)#United_Kingdom ) > under UK explores the difference the difference between civil parish and > ecclesiastical parish and uses the traditional "settlement without a church". > > Another complication is the division between village and town (complicated by > legislation allowing parish councils to adopt the term town council). An > example local to me is the ongoing debate (slow edit war) between Cheddar, > Somerset a village with a population of 5,755 and Axbridge a town with a > population of 2,057. > > Rod > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lester Caine > Sent: 14 September 2015 00:16 > To: [email protected]; UK Wikimedia mailing list > Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Village, Hamlet and populations ... > > I'm currently working around the area trying to get all the local places > cross referenced properly. I've got The 2012 Index of Places from the ONS > which has a supposedly complete set of places, but I've been hitting a number > of problems which I think I've finally sussed. > > The OSM wiki defines 'hamlet' as less than 100-200 people, but village > supposedly starts at 1000 up to 10000 with the proviso that it depends on the > country. Ideally the two would perhaps meet :) We are perhaps looking at a > population of around 8000 for a town designation in the UK, but anything down > to 100 is still classified as a village by the ONS. > What are actually missing from the OSN data are ANY hamlets despite their > claiming to include them. > > My first exercise was to add links on the OSM data to the wikipedia entry for > each village, and there is a small list of miss matches which I'm trying to > sort out. However when cross referencing the population data reported by > wikipedia quoting the 2011 census, but what that fails to account for is that > only provides totals for the whole parish, which may have more than one > hamlet/village. The IOP data contains the 'BUA' > population for the villages, but omits the rest of the hamlets that make up > the parish/ward. > > The IOP data is released under the Open Government Licence V2 so I see no > problem using it in OSM or Wikipedia? I think what we are still looking for > is a consistent list of hamlets to work from to fill in the gaps? The IOP > data was supposed to be updated annually, but it seems only annual updates > are currently being generated. > > To add to the fun, the six digit codes I've been using for LLPG data for many > years have been replaced by a 9 digit code. While the 6 digit code had a nice > three level structure, the 9 digit code has lost the third layer, but these > still only go down to the ward/parish level. There is still no ID for the > town/village :( > > And Scotland and Northern Ireland are separate data sets ... > > -- > Lester Caine - G8HFL > ----------------------------- > Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact > L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - > http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk > Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6125 / Virus Database: 4419/10628 - Release Date: 09/12/15 > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
