i like the letter a lot! many thanks!! rupert
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Douglas Scott <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Rupert, > > Thanks for the suggestion! I have just uploaded it to commons and can be > accessed at this link: > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Copyright_Submissions_to_amend_the_South_African_Copy_Right_Act_of_1978_-_16_September_2015.pdf > > Cheers, > > Douglas. > > On 19 September 2015 at 07:42, rupert THURNER <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > you have it somewhere on wiki? > > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Denise Nicholson < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > No, unfortunately it hasn't come through. I also included something > > > about freedom of panarama in my comments. > > > > > > Regards > > > Denise > > > ________________________________________ > > > From: Douglas Scott [[email protected]] > > > Sent: 16 September 2015 04:34 PM > > > To: Theresa Hume > > > Cc: wikimediaza; Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Copyright Act of 1978 amendment process: 27 > > > August deadline > > > > > > Hi Denise, I think that might be because of the content filtering > > function > > > of this mailing list that could have caused the document, although > > > attached, not to have been send along with the last email. I will turn > > it > > > off for a few seconds and see if it comes through now as an attachment > to > > > this email. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Douglas. > > > > > > On 16 September 2015 at 16:22, Denise Nicholson < > > > [email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > No attachment. Please resend. > > > > Thanks > > > > Denise > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > From: Douglas Scott [[email protected]] > > > > Sent: 16 September 2015 03:15 PM > > > > To: Theresa Hume > > > > Cc: wikimediaza; Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Copyright Act of 1978 amendment process: > 27 > > > > August deadline > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > Today I have submitted our recommendation to the DTI on behalf of > > > Wikimedia > > > > ZA calling for Freedom of Panorama. I have attached a copy of that > > > > recommendation to this email. It was decided to model our request on > > the > > > > one suggested by the Joint Academic Comments on the South African > > > Copyright > > > > Amendment Bill with whom we were able to raise and explain our issue > > with > > > > Section 15 and its impact on Freedom of Panorama. > > > > > > > > Basically we are calling for it to "*be permissible to reproduce, > > > > distribute and make available to the public works located permanently > > in > > > > public roads and ways or public spaces. In the case of buildings, > this > > > > authorisation shall only extend to the façades and interior public > > spaces > > > > thereof*." > > > > > > > > We have also joined the call for Section 15 to be greatly simplified > > and > > > > modernized as well as a broadening of fair use. > > > > > > > > I want to especially thank Dr Tobias Schonwetter (Copyright expert at > > > UCT), > > > > Pria Chetty (who is also a Wikimedia ZA board member as well as a IT > > > > Copyright lawyer) and Dimitar Parvanov (who is Advocating for Freedom > > of > > > > Panorama in the European Union Parliament). > > > > > > > > The actual drafting of the document was done by myself and I take > full > > > > responsibility for any issues or errors in it. > > > > > > > > I want to thank you all for your participation in this. It has been > > > quite > > > > a ride. I will keep you all posted on any feedback I get from the > DTI > > > > moving forward. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Douglas. > > > > > > > > On 21 August 2015 at 13:30, Douglas Scott <[email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, apologies for the delay on this. About two days > ago > > it > > > > > was suggested to me that we setup an etherpad to discuss the issue > of > > > > what > > > > > our suggestion should be to amend the South African Copy Right Act > of > > > > 1978 > > > > > so as to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel that now is a good > > time > > > > to > > > > > set this etherpad up so that anyone who is interested in > contributing > > > to > > > > > this issue can do so in a collaborative way whilst avoiding > spamming > > > > other > > > > > people on this list (who might not be interested in this) with our > > > > chatter. > > > > > > > > > > You can find the etherpad at the link here- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/SA_Copy_Right_Act_amendment_bill_-sec_15_(3) > > > > > > > > > > Looking forward to your contributions. Please remember that the > > > deadline > > > > > for us to submit a suggestion on how to amend the bill is the 16th > > > > > September 2015 but I would like to get our submission in on the > 15th. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > Douglas. > > > > > > > > > > On 18 August 2015 at 09:54, [email protected] < > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://medialternatives.com/2015/08/17/draft-copyright-bill-amendment-alarm/ > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Douglas Scott < > > > > >> [email protected]> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hello everyone, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > As many of you no doubt know the Copy Right Act 1978 section 15 > > (3) > > > > >> > < > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama#South_Africa > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > has been a bone of some contention for the South Africa > Wikipedia > > > > >> community > > > > >> > for a long time now as it has effectively meant that we here in > > > South > > > > >> > Africa are denied Freedom of Panorama > > > > >> > <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama > >. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Last week I was fortunate enough to have attended an event > > organised > > > > by > > > > >> Dr > > > > >> > Tobias Schonwetter from UCT (and from Creative Commons South > > Africa) > > > > to > > > > >> > discuss a suggested redrafting of the act. I am happy to say > > that I > > > > >> feel I > > > > >> > was able to make a good case to the relevant authorities from > the > > > > >> > Department of Trade and Industry as well as others present for > the > > > > need > > > > >> to > > > > >> > revise the act to allow for Freedom of Panorama. I feel they > were > > > > very > > > > >> > sympathetic to our concerns about the need and desirability of > > > Freedom > > > > >> of > > > > >> > Panorama in South Africa. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Now comes the hard part. We need to work on a suggested > revision > > of > > > > >> > Section 15 (3) (or Section 15 generally) to allow for Freedom of > > > > >> Panorama > > > > >> > and we need to do it quickly as the deadline for submissions to > > > change > > > > >> the > > > > >> > act is the 27th of August 2015. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > My suggestion is to use the Spanish or German Freedom of > Panorama > > > acts > > > > >> as > > > > >> > guidelines for us which basically state that people are free to > > take > > > > >> > pictures or otherwise reproduce works that are permanently found > > > > >> outside on > > > > >> > public ways, streets or places (e.g. squares, plazas) and to > > > > distribute > > > > >> and > > > > >> > publicly communicate such copies. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Or as the Spanish act says: "Works permanently located in parks, > > > > >> streets, > > > > >> > squares or other public places may be freely reproduced, > > distributed > > > > and > > > > >> > communicated by means of paintings, drawings, photographs and > > > > >> audiovisual > > > > >> > processes." and goes on to state that this "may not be so > > > interpreted > > > > >> that > > > > >> > they could be applied in a manner capable of unreasonably > > > prejudicing > > > > >> the > > > > >> > legitimate interests of the author or adversely affecting the > > normal > > > > >> > exploitation of the works to which they refer." > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I want to notify the community of this opportunity for us to > > amended > > > > the > > > > >> > act as well as the progress the Chapter (Wikimedia South Africa) > > has > > > > >> made > > > > >> > in possibly getting Freedom of Panorama established in South > > Africa. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I also wanted to let you know that should you have any comments > of > > > > your > > > > >> own > > > > >> > on the amendment of the Copy Right act of 1978 then please have > a > > > look > > > > >> at > > > > >> > the link here > > > > >> > < > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://saha.org.za/news/2015/August/call_for_comment_copyright_amendment_bill.htm > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > for more information as well as the contact details of the > contact > > > > >> person > > > > >> > at the DTI. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Thanks and best regards, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Douglas. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > -- > > > > >> > Douglas Ian Scott > > > > >> > 司道格 > > > > >> > Skype: douglas0scott > > > > >> > South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > > >> > WikimediaZA mailing list > > > > >> > [email protected] > > > > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> *David Robert Lewis* > > > > >> *PO BOX 4398* > > > > >> *Cape Town* > > > > >> *8000* > > > > >> *South Africa* > > > > >> > > > > >> *Mobile 082 425 1454* > > > > >> *Home 021 448 0021* > > > > >> *Fax **0862396815* > > > > >> *Skype david.robert.lewis* > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> WikimediaZA mailing list > > > > >> [email protected] > > > > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Douglas Ian Scott > > > > > 司道格 > > > > > Skype: douglas0scott > > > > > South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Douglas Ian Scott > > > > 司道格 > > > > Skype: douglas0scott > > > > South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 > > > > > > > > <table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" > > > > style="width:100%;"> > > > > <tr> > > > > <td align="left" style="text-align:justify;"><font > > > face="arial,sans-serif" > > > > size="1" color="#999999"><span style="font-size:11px;">This > > communication > > > > is intended for the addressee only. 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