Hello everyone, On Moleskin, I think Rossouw's experience is the most meaningful to us as he has had the most direct experience with them. Thank you Rossouw for reminding us.
On Afrikaaps, about a month ago I did reach out (both via email and facebook) to one of the authors of the recently published Kaaps language dictionary about doing something with them to support the growth of Kaaps language but I have received no response. I would suggest that we continue to reach out to them (and others) to see we if can support the development of that language on Wiki. Just because I am having no success does not mean that someone else will also not have success. Regards, Douglas. On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 11:15, Bobby Shabangu <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Michael, > > Thanks for your invaluable response. There's certainly a great need to > reach out to the coloured community for Wikipedia awareness and edit > workshops, there's a dearth of Afrikaaps on Wiki. @Shupai, trust you are > noting UWC. > > Dear > > Rossouw, your comment is noted, I'll reach out to Moleskin to raise these > concerns. > > Best, > Bobby Shabangu > > On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:30, Rossouw van Rooyen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Not that I am under any illusion that my opinion matters, but I strongly > > recommend everyone to have absolutely nothing to do with this > > leech-organisation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rossouw van RooyenFarm ManagerWildheim <https://www.wildheim.net/>Cell: > > 081 874 1191Tel: 063 280 650* > > > > > > On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:21, Michael Graaf <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> what I was saying was that instead of seeing this as an issue of > Afrikaans > >> being discriminated against, it should be seen as careless > >> communication/ignorance on the part of Moleskine. We would all gladly > >> support them if they announced that their mission was to boost > >> marginalised > >> languages (those with small wikis/few contributors). However,they > >> expressed > >> it by saying they want to support indigenous languages, with an > assumption > >> that these two categories overlap. > >> > >> However Afrikaans is an exception, since it isn't marginalised. They > >> failed > >> to take that fact into consideration, and hence they raised false > >> expectations. Then, adding insult to injury, they tried to explain by > >> saying Afrikaans is not indigenous, rather than that it's not > >> marginalised. > >> So we need to advise them to be more careful. > >> > >> On a personal note, let me remind board members that we have previously > >> discussed the issue of "Afrikaaps" being the marginalised side of > >> Afrikaans. After I shared a radio interview with you, I was mandated to > >> contact the panelists, which I did, but without them taking up the offer > >> of > >> a workshop. More recently UWC has published the first dictionary of > >> Afrikaaps, so perhaps someone there might be interested in dialogue. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 8:15 AM Bobby Shabangu <[email protected] > > > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Dear Shupai, > >> > > >> > Kindly remind me what resolution did we take on the issue Deon is > >> raising. > >> > I remember him raising that he applied for the Wikimedian in Residence > >> > position and he made a follow up why he was not selected as a > candidate > >> but > >> > instead he was informed they don't recognize Afrikaans, @Deon correct > >> me if > >> > I'm wrong here! > >> > > >> > I think I said I was going to write a letter to chastise them for such > >> > kind of harsh response since Rossouw an Afrikaans speaker played a > >> pivotal > >> > role in this project. And I remember Michael speaking but my internet > >> went > >> > down I don't remember how we finally said we were gonna move forward > >> with > >> > this issue? Kindly remind me so that I respond immediately. > >> > > >> > Best, > >> > Bobby Shabangu > >> > > >> > On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 08:00, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi guys > >> >> > >> >> The very same people that does not recognise Afrikaans as an > indigenous > >> >> language... > >> >> > >> >> Deon > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Bobby Shabangu <[email protected]> > >> >> Sent: Woensdag 22 September 2021 02:25 > >> >> To: Tochi Precious <[email protected]>; WikimediaZA List > >> >> <[email protected]>; Shupai Mchuchu < > >> >> [email protected]>; > >> >> Ngonidzashe Chipunza <[email protected]> > >> >> Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Kind request for support for AfroCuration > >> >> South > >> >> Africa event > >> >> > >> >> Dear Tochi, > >> >> > >> >> Thanks for reaching out, we already know about this project from a > >> >> presentation made by Papa some couple of months back. Shupai our > >> >> administrator will let you know there are more volunteers from the > >> Chapter > >> >> and community who would like to take part here. > >> >> > >> >> @Shupai Mchuchu <[email protected]> kindly note these dates > and > >> >> send > >> >> me a reminder 2 days before it takes place. Also kindly send this to > >> our > >> >> community and board to find out if there aren't any volunteers who > >> would > >> >> want to take part and volunteer with their time in this project. I'll > >> >> certainly be there. > >> >> > >> >> Best regards, > >> >> Bobby Shabangu > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 16:59, Tochi Precious < > >> [email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Hello Bobby, my name is [[User: Tochiprecious]]. I'm one of the > >> >> > founding members of @wikimediaigbo and also a Wikipedian in > Residence > >> >> > at Moleskine Foundation working on the WikiAfrica Education > project. > >> >> > > >> >> > I pioneered the last AfroCuration on 4th and 5th September in > >> >> > Mozambique where I worked with the WMF Language Team to get the > >> >> > Makhuwa language Wikipedia into the incubator. We had over 70 > >> >> > participants and have created over 120 articles since then. > >> >> > > >> >> > My next program is in S.A, with Constitution Hill and Harambee on > >> 26th > >> >> > and 27th of October and I would like to ask for your assistance as > a > >> >> > User Group to help train new editors to edit your language > Wikipedia, > >> >> > and also mentor them to become part of your user group and also > >> >> > knowledge contributors in your language on Wiki. > >> >> > > >> >> > Also, I would like to find out the languages that the S.A User > Group > >> >> > edits Wiki in. > >> >> > > >> >> > I'll be looking forward to hearing from you soon. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks a lot > >> >> > Tochi > >> >> > > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> WikimediaZA mailing list -- [email protected] To > >> >> unsubscribe > >> >> send an email to [email protected] > >> >> To unsubscribe, send an email to %(real_name)s-unsubscribe@ > >> %(host_name)s > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> WikimediaZA mailing list -- [email protected] > >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to > [email protected] > >> >> To unsubscribe, send an email to %(real_name)s-unsubscribe@ > >> %(host_name)s > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Michael Graaf, M.Phil (UCT) > >> > >> Researcher, Editor & > >> Community Informatics Practitioner > >> > >> Mob +27795487242 > >> WhatsApp/ Signal/ Telegram +27647754342 > >> ORCID 0000-0002-1951-5739 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WikimediaZA mailing list -- [email protected] > >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > >> To unsubscribe, send an email to %(real_name)s-unsubscribe@ > %(host_name)s > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > WikimediaZA mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe, send an email to %(real_name)s-unsubscribe@%(host_name)s > -- Douglas Ian Scott 司道格 Skype: douglas0scott South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727 _______________________________________________ WikimediaZA mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] To unsubscribe, send an email to %(real_name)s-unsubscribe@%(host_name)s
