Hi all
Signage and ingo plaques can be cited as sources without uploading images
of them. The same as any other publication. Using the {{cite sign}}
template makes it quite easy.
Regards
Roger (Dodger67)On Mon, 13 Oct 2025, 15:00 Michael Graaf, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, I've made a feeble effort to substantiate my hunch that Freedom of > Panorama has been updated in SA law since the version cited by the > deletionist, but haven't followed up properly. > > Does anyone here know offhand? > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2025 at 2:04 PM <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Send WikimediaZA mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, please visit > > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikimediaza.lists.wikimedia.org/ > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of WikimediaZA digest..." > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Deletions of Joburg History (Derek Moore) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2025 06:29:17 +0200 > > From: Derek Moore <[email protected]> > > Subject: [Wikimedia ZA] Re: Deletions of Joburg History > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: > > < > > cam33oq4zydxmfp0qqq0k4jvcvqkl5_jsrsql-kzlfbn4ne8...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Hello Keegan > > > > Thanks for the reply. Good to hear from you. I can’t speak for the > CapeTown > > Heritage Foundation, but I popped into visit Dianne Steele from > > Johannesburg Heritage Foundation. She’s also a Wikipedian and she > confirmed > > that the JHF are very happy with the plaques appearing on commons. She > > worked with @BobbyShabangu, who has also uploaded many of these images > for > > Joburgbedia. She completed the form for three files (that I uploaded) > > indicating they are released. > > > > The text in from the form itself is not perfect. But it should be clear > > enough > > > > I agree to publish the above-mentioned work under the Creative Commons > > Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International. > > I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work, > > even in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to > > their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any > > other applicable laws. > > I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related > > sites. > > I am aware that the copyright holder always retains ownership of the > > copyright as well as the right to be attributed in accordance with the > > license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed > > to have been made by the copyright holder. > > I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content > > may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project. > > > > There are a number of comments on the page itself. (I sound rather > > shrill). > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_in_Category:Blue_plaques_in_Cape_Town?markasread=76881144&markasreadwiki=commonswiki#Files_in_Category:Blue_plaques_in_Cape_Town > > > > Be great to have your voice heard.. > > > > Best > > Derek > > > > On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 at 16:24, Keegan Leech <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Thanks for raising this Derek. > > > > > > A quick question on copyright. Does anyone know what the > > Johannesburg/Cape > > > Town Heritage Foundations would have to do to allow for pictures of the > > > plaques to be used on Wikimedia? Is it possible for them to release > some > > > statement allowing for the use of these images without releasing their > > > copyright over the text on the plaques? I'm sure it would be relatively > > > easy to contact the J/CTHF and request a declaration from them. > > Something > > > posted on their websites would be fine. > > > > > > Additionally, it seems as though not all of the plaques were erected by > > > these two foundations, and so there may be more copyright holders here. > > > (E.g. this plaque seems to have been posted by the Geological Society > of > > > South Africa > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GSSA_W4A_Siltstone.jpg > > > ) Can anyone can confirm who the copyright owners are? > > > > > > Unfortunately, I do believe that the text of these plaques would be > > > protected by copyright as artistic works (see copyright act: > > > https://www.saflii.org/za/legis/consol_act/ca1978133/ ). Just being > > > informational does not exempt them any more than it would exempt, say, > a > > > history book. However, there are cases in which copyrighted works or > > > excerpts thereof, may appear on Wikipedia. So these images could > > > theoretically be uploaded to individual Wikipedia pages, if clearly > > > labelled as including copyrighted material. They should probably not be > > on > > > Commons under creative commons licenses (as many of them are) unless > the > > > JHF or whoever the copyright holders may be have released them from > > > copyright. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Keegan > > > > > > On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 at 09:58, Derek Moore <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear fellow Wikipedians. > > > > > > > > This is an odd issue, and I would appreciate your advice and support. > > > > Blue Plaques are a wonderful way to remember South African Heritage. > > Now > > > > for some reason, a Wikipedian in Canada (I think) has initiated a > big > > > > deletion request of Blue plaques both in Cape Town and Johannesburg. > > See > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_in_Category:Blue_plaques_in_Johannesburg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_in_Category:Blue_plaques_in_Cape_Town > > > > > > > > It would be good if you could make your voices heard in the > discussion > > > and > > > > contest the deletion > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Derek > > > > > > > > *Derek Moore* (He/Him) | Lead Consultant for Weblearning > > > > > > > > *a: *Weblearning | 21 Kew Road, Richmond, 2092 | South Africa > > > > *w:* www.weblearning.co.za <http://www.weblearning.co.za/> *m:* + 27 > > 72 > > > > 776 > > > > 1001 > > > > *h: Mon, Thu, Fri: *8:30-5:00 (GMT+2) *Tue, Wed:* 9:00-5:00 (GMT) > > > > > > > > You may get emails from me outside of normal working hours. 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