Okay, I've set up an account on NewsTrust[1], reviewed a couple of articles they've selected, and tested Bawolff's addition to the social bookmarks template
[1] http://newstrust.net/members/brian-mcneil [2] http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Social_bookmarks On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 23:41 -0400, bawolff wrote: > Interesting stuff. As an initial first step, I added a newstrust > button to the {{Social bookmarks}} template. Its somewhat in the > background right now. We might perhaps consider a bigger, "review this > article" button later if we really want to push this. (Their review a > story button also has the option to add what categories the article > falls in, but I haven't added that part as its not used in their basic > button, and its unclear if its really used (And its somewhat more > complicated to do, as i can't do it directly via template) If we want > that i can do it later.) If someone else has signed up on NewsTrust I would be interested to see what they get if they click the review button on the article I submitted for review (protest against Lockheed Marten). Will this cause duplicate submissions or match up with my prior submission? I did find getting a submission in a little tricky; had to fiddle a few forms to get the article in categories. As disclosure, I put myself as co-author on the article because of extensive copyedit before I reviewed and published. > For having credibility ratings next to the source, sounds like a cool > idea (at the very least for a gadget, having it global would require > some careful consideration + potential privacy issues would need to be > looked at), but I can't see anyway of getting such information off > their site. The best i could find was a way of getting the last couple > articles that a specific source published, and the ratings for those, > but i did not see any way of getting the overall rating of a source, > or the specific rating of an article. Amusingly, it seems NewsTrust relies a lot on Wikipedia for the basic description of their sources, well, at least they did for Wikinews. That *should* be good news as sources are likely to be listed with the same names. Before we start trying to do that there's a few points to raise. I've CC'd Cary for input on the big question; privacy policy repercussions. Here's what we've got to work with [3], and NewsTrust's in-development policy[4]. [3] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy [4] http://newstrust.net/about/privacy Considering you explicitly have to sign up to NewsTrust to identify yourself this seems much better than your average news site with loads of embedded adverts. > What else. I think we should re-model the flagged revisions reader > feedback into some better design, perhaps inspired by newstrust. > (flagged revs reader feedback module in its current form, sucks. a > lot). You'll get zero argument from me on that; is the review element getting any flack on the Strategy wiki? It would be far, far better if users were asked to review in a friendlier form (say a collapsed "Review this article"). Better yet if that can actually be moved around the article with a {{flagged review}} template. Within that it would be great if we can pull up any NewsTrust rating, as well as readers submit a review to NewsTrust. My general concern is the idea ending up shot down because we could have to share readers' IP details with NewsTrust. As it stands, use in {{social bookmarking}} requires the user actively click on the NewsTrust logo. As I understand it, quite a few projects have been very happy to steal that template from us. I've had encouraging feedback off-list about tying into NewsTrust's source rating system. Here's how I see us using this: {{source}}[5] is modified to have an optional "|NT" parameter. Where present, the URL for the cited source is checked for on NewsTrust, the story rating is retrieved, and a (likely smaller than NT uses) graphic of their trust level for the story is displayed somewhere. If NewsTrust doesn't have the story, the ideal is to fall back to their trust level for the source that published the story. Here we're going to run into the usual headaches with wire reports that are everywhere and end up cited as published by Ya-who? This is where I need Cary, or some other Foundation person's input. If trust metrics are retrieved and displayed on-the-fly we either need to make the reader's browser fetch them, or retrieve them periodically and store locally. The latter has issues with keeping data current and reflecting someone's review if they go over to NewsTrust and apply one. [5] http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Source What's likely to be most interesting about having a play with NewsTrust is how the "levels" of their reputation system go. As Fabrice explained to me, the entry level only asks simple questions on how you rate an article. As you build your personal reputation as a news reviewer you are asked for more details. What this led me to conclude is that whatever segment of their reviewer populace has an interest in writing might be enticed to try doing so on Wikinews; they'll certainly be the sort of critical thinkers we could benefit from. Now, I pointed Fabrice at the writing contest[6]. I would be very interested in getting the NewsTrust community to review the rules we're running by (the ever-popular "anyone can edit" including, at the moment, the competition rules). It may be possible to do some collaboration on that. NewsTrust could feature our competition a few days before the start, Wikinews invites readers not in the competition to look at ratings on NewsTrust and possibly contribute their own. [6] http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/WN:WWC-2010 NewsTrust, I think, would be an ideal group to bring in on the post-competition Featured Article section. That is, all competition entries scanned for FA candidates on Wikinews, and in some way highlighted for review on NewsTrust. At the moment my penned-in idea there is to invite some of the WMF Trustees (a few have journo backgrounds) to get involved in that. The big question is, will offering just five points for an article that gets promoted be enough of a game-changer at that stage? Should it be higher - say 20 points? I didn't ask Fabrice if they could help out with sponsorship for prizes, so we're still begging for that. Anyone think it would be worth asking on the Wikipedia rewards board if a few of the people who put cash up there might chip together to have a netbook for the outright winner? As far as the competition goes, few things seem needed first. A {{WWC-2010 entry}} template with associated categories. I think we need to start having [[Category:Writer <username>]] hidden categories, and a userpage template to display them. I suspect if collaborating with NewsTrust we could get them to add a category for comp. entries so people can track it on their site. -- Brian McNeil <[email protected]>|http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Brian_McNeil Content of this message in no way represents the opinions or official position of the Wikimedia Foundation or any of its projects.
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