Note, I'm 99% sure that pulling the rating data off NewsTrust using clientside js would be in violation of the wmf privacy policy (99% as i have not actually read the privacy policy...). It also represents somewhat of a security risk (the usual method of doing such things is to execute foreign javascript that inserts rating data and/or puts data in a global variable. which is generally something we try to avoid, as executing arbitrary code on the client that is not under our direct control = bad thing in my mind). With that being said, that would probably be ok as a gadget, but not ok as enabled for everyone.
However, if we were to do this, i think a better approach would be to get someone with a toolserver account to create a tool that acts as intermediatery. That way, only the toolserver is in the position to potentially collect user data. It'd go like this: Client loads page, page asks toolserver what rating of source is, toolserver asks newstrust (possibly caching results). I assume that'd take care of privacy issues -- - Bawolff Caution: The mass of this product contains the energy equivalent of 85 million tons of TNT per net ounce of weight. On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Brian McNeil <[email protected]> wrote: > Fabrice, > > I've whitelisted your address for posing to wikinews-l. The mailing list > archives are here: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l > > If I see any other posts from NewsTrust people I'll whitelist their > email addresses too. You'll only get sent copies of other messages if > you subscribe to the mailing list. > > On Sat, 2009-12-12 at 14:37 -0800, Fabrice Florin wrote: >> Dear Brian, >> >> >> It was great to speak with you yesterday - I'm glad that we got along >> so well, and that you are interested in working together! >> >> >> Thank you so much for moving so swiftly to contact your community >> about a possible collaboration between NewsTrust and Wikinews. >> >> We will discuss this idea in our editorial meeting on Monday. We >> really appreciate your commitment to factual reporting from a neutral >> perspective, and it appears that we have many shared values in >> common. >> >> We are also honored that you are willing to consider using NewsTrust >> as a possible tool for judging the entries of participants in your >> upcoming writing contest (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/WN:WWC-2010). We >> will discuss the idea of cross-promoting this contest on both of our >> sites at the end of January and perhaps again in early or mid-April. A >> good way to do this might be to use our News Hunt format at that time, >> if you all find the idea interesting. Read more about our News >> Hunts below, as well as the attached PDF with more details about >> NewsTrust. >> >> >> I am also delighted that you were able to install our NT review >> buttons so quickly on the Wikimedia article pages. Thanks, bawolff, >> nicely done! See my response to your comment below. >> >> At your request, we already corrected the misspelling of your name on >> our source profile page for Wikinews: >> http://newstrust.net/sources/wikinews >> >> >> Note that is is now possible for you to add one of our source widgets >> on your site, listing stories for review from Wikinews: >> http://newstrust.net/widgets?url=/sources/wikinews/for_review >> > I'm puzzling over where we could fit that in. >> >> You can customize your widget in many different ways on that page (be >> sure to click on 'More Options') and we have many topic widgets you >> might consider putting next to articles that would benefit from more >> related stories on the same topic. >> >> We've also started to review a couple of your featured stories, which >> we encourage you to review as well: >> >> http://newstrust.net/stories/506880/toolbar?go=review >> >> http://newstrust.net/stories/507108/toolbar?go=review > > I noticed a few were up. Iain (User Blood Red Sandman) was quite pleased > with the review he got on the Garuda pilot story. As you probably > understand, we can have issues getting those actually involved (such as > the pilot) to speak to us. > > The one I put up and admitted a COI/writing involvement saw me acting as > the reviewing editor, doing quite a lot of copyedit work on it and > bringing it in line with house style. >> >> (if you are a co-author of any of these articles, or have any serious >> conflicts of interest, please check the appropriate box in the 'About >> You' section of our review form, as Brian was kind enough to do for >> one of the articles he co-wrote) >> >> Lastly, I also started a Smart Feed for Wikinews here, using your >> feedburner RSS feed: >> http://newstrust.net/feeds/180/show >> >> >> This will make it easier for any of us to submit some of your upcoming >> stories from your feedburner feed, since much of your metada is >> automatically pulled from your feed. However, I encourage you to focus >> on posting some of your best stories, so we don't flood our review >> pipeline with too many stories from Wikinews right away. > > I suspect the metadata on Feedburner is pathetic. We have an extension > for MediaWiki developed to produce RSS feeds based on categories and > (our) review process. >> >> We are in the middle of a News Hunt on Climate Change, which will keep >> us busy through the weekend, and I have to prepare for a board meeting >> at the end of the week, so I will not be able to review any more >> stories from you guys until the following week. Thanks for your >> understanding. But if you have any good articles about Social Change, >> we would be happy to have our community review them, as that will be >> one of our major themes next week. >> >> >> I would also like to introduce our associate editor Kaizar Campwala, >> who is our point person for News Hunts and partnerships. Kaizar can be >> reached at <[email protected]> and can answer any other questions >> you might have about using our service. >> >> Look forward to continuing this discussion in coming weeks. >> >> All the best, >> >> >> >> Fabrice >> >> >> >> >> P.S.: Do you guys know how we could encourage a Wikipedia writer to >> write an entry about NewsTrust on their site? > > Have you independent press reports on NewsTrust? That's the key thing. > There's a few Wikipedians also contribute to Wikinews, they might know > if there is still a "requesting an article" page on Wikipedia (and where > it's hidden). >> >> >> We understand and respect Wikipedia's rules against writing entries >> about yourself -- or asking your friends to do it -- so we have not >> made any attempts to have an entry written about us to date. >> >> >> But we do think that it would be reasonable for someone to write one, >> given all that we have contributed to this field over the years (see >> attached project overview). > > It's all down to, unlike Wikinews, Wikipedia having a policy against > original research, and being a tertiary source. > > If there is a press release or two for NewsTrust then any board or other > people might get their Wikipedia articles updated to reflect the > position. You can go right ahead and ask for that on an article talk > page as long as you disclose your interest. > > Example: > > "I'm XXX of NewsTrust (http://newstrust.net), this article on <someone> > does not mention that he is <positionholder> at NewsTrust. This is > verifiable in <link to press releases> and <links to news reports>. Can > this detail be added as a redlink to [[w:NewsTrust.net]], or that > article actually started? --~~~~" >> >> >> Would you be willing to nudge an experienced Wikipedia writer >> interested in this topic to consider us as a worthy subject for an >> article? > > I think I just did. I'll point a few other people at the mailing list > archive, it might encourage them. > > <snip> >> >> Brian, to answer your question above, clicking on our NT review button >> on a story that has already been submitted will take you directly to >> our review form. > > Great! > >> > I've had encouraging feedback off-list about tying into NewsTrust's >> > source rating system. Here's how I see us using this: >> > >> > {{source}}[5] is modified to have an optional "|NT" parameter. Where >> > present, the URL for the cited source is checked for on NewsTrust, >> > the >> > story rating is retrieved, and a (likely smaller than NT uses) >> > graphic >> > of their trust level for the story is displayed somewhere. If >> > NewsTrust >> > doesn't have the story, the ideal is to fall back to their trust >> > level >> > for the source that published the story. Here we're going to run >> > into >> > the usual headaches with wire reports that are everywhere and end up >> > cited as published by Ya-who? > >> We would be very happy to support any efforts along these lines, and >> are delighted that you find them worthwhile. > >> > [5] http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Source > > Still waiting to hear if we can pull that information off NewsTrust > without having third party site requests that might violate policy. >> > >> > Now, I pointed Fabrice at the writing contest[6]. I would be very >> > interested in getting the NewsTrust community to review the rules >> > we're >> > running by (the ever-popular "anyone can edit" including, at the >> > moment, >> > the competition rules). It may be possible to do some collaboration >> > on >> > that. NewsTrust could feature our competition a few days before the >> > start, Wikinews invites readers not in the competition to look at >> > ratings on NewsTrust and possibly contribute their own. >> > >> We are very happy to support your contest in any way we can, using the >> current NewsTrust review tools. > >> But we will let you guys decide how you want to calculate the final >> scores and award the prizes, as this is a bit outside of our area of >> expertise. > >> > NewsTrust, I think, would be an ideal group to bring in on the >> > post-competition Featured Article section. That is, all competition >> > entries scanned for FA candidates on Wikinews, and in some way >> > highlighted for review on NewsTrust. At the moment my penned-in idea >> > there is to invite some of the WMF Trustees (a few have journo >> > backgrounds) to get involved in that. The big question is, will >> > offering >> > just five points for an article that gets promoted be enough of a >> > game-changer at that stage? Should it be higher - say 20 points? >> > >> > I didn't ask Fabrice if they could help out with sponsorship for >> > prizes, >> > so we're still begging for that. Anyone think it would be worth >> > asking >> > on the Wikipedia rewards board if a few of the people who put cash >> > up >> > there might chip together to have a netbook for the outright winner? > >> Our financial resources are limited, but we could perhaps give away >> NewsTrust mugs to the winners, if they were selected using our review >> tools. > > I don't see any reason why the mugs couldn't be awarded to the top-rated > articles from the competition end-stage after submissions are closed and > we're looking for those to promote to featured article status. > >> The mugs have a list of the core principles of journalism on the back, >> so they offer more value than just promoting us ;o) > > I've pointed people at Kipling for that ;-) > > > > > -- > Brian McNeil > <[email protected]>|http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Brian_McNeil > Content of this message in no way represents the opinions or official position > of the Wikimedia Foundation or any of its projects. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikinews-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l > > _______________________________________________ Wikinews-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikinews-l
