I dont think it has been done before. What we need is an open source decentralized system of certification where each certificate will be a wiki page, will have a version, and will be able to be assigned by everyone to anyone. That will make any journal or university degree obsolete. (We'd just have professors,not the university, certifying their students.)
I also dont think that there is an easier alternative that solves the long lasting battle between experts and the rest. 2012/10/28 Stirling Newberry <[email protected]> > Empirically, that does not have a high probability of success. > > > On Oct 27, 2012, at 8:25 PM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis wrote: > > > Please, enlighten me. > > > > 2012/10/28 Stirling Newberry <[email protected]> > > > >> Your post is self-contradictory. > >> > >> On Oct 27, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis wrote: > >> > >>> 1)I don't think that google results have any credibility at all. > >>> 2)The basis of a wiki is the open source license of its contents. That > is > >>> why it is a collaboration. > >>> > >>>> Consensus is core to what credibility wikipedia has, because it is > much > >>> harder to get a bot net to generate it than to generate links. It means > >>> that anyone who writes has at least consented to have others check > their > >>> work. > >>> > >>> That is incorrect. It is much more difficult because each page is > checked > >>> by users. In the same way, rating an article will be done by users and > >> the > >>> network of trust will be dynamic. If a user is providing bad > information, > >>> he will be discarded manually from users. > >>> > >>>> That's categorically incorrect. Consensus is a rational preference, > you > >>> would ban it, there for violating admissibility. It will also run into > >>> transitivity issues quickly, as people will set up link farms to point > to > >>> their version. > >>> > >>> Care to explain that? > >>> > >>> Whose preference is rational? rational preference > >>> < > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preference_(economics)#Applications_to_theories_of_utility > >>> > >>> Admissibity of what? > >>> Admissible_rule<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admissible_rule> > >>> > >>> Again transitivity of whose preferences? > >>> > >>> I guess that you are trying to say that through consensus , we end up > in > >>> some sort of parreto efficient state, ie that the consensus "game" > forces > >>> articles to be good enough. > >>> > >>> I dont propose to ban consensus, only to allow users to have many > >>> consensus. I think that people will continue to strive for acceptance > and > >>> consensus, especially since each user will have some sort of ranking. > >>> I admit that I havent really thought of this from a game theoretic > point > >> of > >>> view. > >>> Stackoverflow, mathoverflow 's ranking system seems to have given a > good > >>> incentice to authors, though. > >>> It all depends on the trust metric. > >>> > >>> It is though universally understood that this consensus "game" doesnt > >>> provide good enough results for academic research. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> 2012/10/28 David Gerard <[email protected]> > >>> > >>>> On 28 October 2012 00:12, Stirling Newberry > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> On Oct 27, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> I know that this is very different from what wikipedia has been > known > >>>> to be > >>>>>> and it is understandable that this huge change can only happen from > >>>> outside > >>>>>> of wikipedia. > >>>> > >>>>> This project has been started, it is called "the world wide web." > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Indeed. If Wikipedia were not an improvement over the first ten Google > >>>> hits, it wouldn't exist. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> - d. > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Wikipedia-l mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> > >>> Sincerely yours, > >>> > >>> Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikipedia-l mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikipedia-l mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikipedia-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikipedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > -- Sincerely yours, Apostolis Xekoukoulotakis _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
