On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:16 AM Andrea Zanni <[email protected]> wrote:
> (probably Magnus' mail was not directed to the Wikisource list, I didn't > receive it). > > The problem is that books =/= texts, and we have "many to many" > relationships at different levels. > > > 1. A Wikidata (Qx) item is an edition of another Wikidata item (Qy) > > 2. Qx (the edition) has an associated (e.g. English) Wikisource page > > Wikisource has at least 2 pages for books: ns0 and Index. > > They are often not the same thing. > For example, I can have an Index page for a poetry book, and have single > pages in Wikisource ns0 for each poem. > At the same time, I can have 3-4 index pages for a very big book, which > has a single ns0 page. > Every index is a volume. > FWIW, there is a new property that hopefully takes care of this: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property:P1957&redirect=no > > Moreover, I can have both at the same times: multiple Index pages > (volumes) for books that contain different works (think as a 3 volume > edition of Shakespeare tragedies). > > Finally, the can be a disambiguation like page to in a "work" namespace > (this one is easy). > > It is solvable, but it is complex. > > 3. Qx and/or Qy have an associated (English) Wikipedia page > > I think that one of the issues here is the simple fact that the matter is > complex, and even if you find a solution to the "theory", it's not easy to > comply. Right now in Wikidata there is confusion, around books, and you > don't really know what to do with them. > > Moreover, it is not easy at all to create a new book, make the right > relationships with the author and other work/edition of the same book. For > example, as far as I know, you can't copy an item, and this alone is a > burden to the user who has to start everytime from scratch a new item. > I myself give it up most times than not.... > > Aubrey > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Nicolas VIGNERON < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> 2015-06-29 11:46 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske <[email protected]>: >> >>> Not sure I see the problem. >>> >> >> Same for me. >> >> 1. A Wikidata (Qx) item is an edition of another Wikidata item (Qy) >>> 2. Qx (the edition) has an associated (e.g. English) Wikisource page >>> 3. Qx and/or Qy have an associated (English) Wikipedia page >>> >> >> It's a bit more complex than that but I agree. >> >> A large number (a majority?) of works have only one edition, in this case >> there is only one item on Wikidata, it's even easier : no problem. >> There is disambig-like pages on wikisources for works. In this case, no >> problem again, you can link Wikipedia and Wikisource directly : >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q83186 >> Somtimes, there is wikipedia article about editions, again there is no >> problem here. >> >> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Books is very useful, >> most of the cases are describe and explain. >> >> Cdlt, ~nicolas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikisource-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikisource-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >
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