One significant advantage of per-language Wikisources is that the interface language is appropriate for *readers* (not logged in users) of the materials we curate in those Wikisources.
A. On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Alex Brollo <[email protected]> wrote: > Perhaps some problems come from the double nature of wikisource - that is > both a *typography *and a *library*. I see soma advantage from having > language-specific typographies, but I can't see any advantage from having > language-specific libraries; my dream would be, a Commons like > architecture, to share *source texts* just as any project can share > *media*. > > A bold solution could be, to share texts using Commons; I'm just playing > with the idea of uploading wiki text, or html, of nsPage into djvu page > metadata. > > Alex > > 2015-11-29 2:19 GMT+01:00 billinghurst <[email protected]>: > >> There is no need for global gadgets, javascripts are able to be pulled >> x-wiki now and are essentially global, and if any community wishes to >> use another's gadgets they can now. If they are not usable then >> request to make them usable. If they want assistance, then ask for it. >> >> I would think that we are looking to argue that we would be looking >> for the x-Wikisource application of Module: ns to allow a one to many >> pull of Module: from that space. Traditionally that has been >> oldwikisource, though one would say that other wikisources have been >> where more development has taken place more recently, so there is >> possibly argument about where, otherwise HOW if they are to be at >> (mul|old)wikisource >> >> I still believe that if this is a rational complaint then someone will >> sit down and write down out the issues on a wiki and we can step >> through them. Plaintive cries to a mailing list just creates noise, >> and little action. Wistful commentary about how olden times were >> better has never had a success in my simple look at history. >> >> Regards, Billinghurst >> >> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Bodhisattwa Mandal >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > During the recent Wikisource Conference in Vienna, need for global >> gadgets, >> > templates and module was discussed and already it has been reported in >> > Phabricator ( https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T1238 ). So someday, >> the >> > problem will be solved. >> > >> > To me, it is not at all a good idea to return back to multilingual WS >> for >> > this reason. The diversity of the language projects make Wikimedia >> movement >> > unique which includes Wikisource as well. Every language and scripts >> has its >> > own unique problem, which can not be generalised at all. Besides, if >> some WS >> > community choose to return back to multilingual, I think, that's >> possible, >> > but not every WS community would want or like to do that. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Bodhisattwa >> > >> > Maybe it is "fine" but I am afraid it is only "fine" for majority (that >> > speaks English or at least one major European language). As an example, >> > note, that there is very few discussion in Chinese in Village pump >> despite >> > there is a lot Chinese users there and many of them do not speak >> English. >> > >> > It is very difficult to operate on Commons for users that speak only >> Thai, >> > Urdu, Bashkir, Hindi or another not highly populated language. >> > >> > Also there are attempts to discriminate users who do not speak / do not >> > understand English. >> > >> > IMO, there is high risk that merging all wikisources would marginalize >> > minorities or people who are not multilingual. >> > >> > The other issue is (I noticed it in plwikisoure) that few users come to >> > wikisource because they feel bad in large wiki communities (plwiki in >> our >> > case). (I don't know if there are similar cases in otner wikisources, >> but >> > likely.) In case, we decide to merge projects they will leave. >> > So disadvantage here is the risk of losing users that we do not have too >> > many. >> > >> > However, there are also advantages of unification and closer >> cooperation. >> > Question is: will they predominate? >> > >> > Ankry >> > >> >> As to the communication problems well WD and Commons are doing just >> >> fine, it's no problem really. I am actually not an active contributor >> to >> >> WS but I always had a feeling that I'd perhaps be one if it was not >> >> split. It's easier to work in big project with all infrastructure ready >> >> and big community to help you, in small on the other hand you have to >> >> face the same 1 or 2 people or the time and personal issues may come in >> >> the way of participation. >> >> >> >> I am not a person to have enough energy to run a major RfC in order to >> >> have the WSs joined (as you can see I even failed to show my points in >> a >> >> structured way) but if such a person shows up I'd gladly support such >> an >> >> initiative. >> >> >> >> --Base >> >> >> >> On 27.11.2015 17:03, Alex Brollo wrote: >> >>> I'm deeply convinced that splitting wikisource projects into variuos >> >>> languages has been a mistake. >> >>> >> >>> Is anyone so bold to imagine that it is possible to revert that >> mistake? >> >>> >> >>> Or, are we forced to travel along the/ diabolicum/ trail? >> >>> >> >>> Alex >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Wikisource-l mailing list >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wikisource-l mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikisource-l mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikisource-l mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikisource-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikisource-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > > -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. 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