Yes you definitely need this flow of useful&visible interproject links both ways: as a trigger for Wikidatans to do more with Wikisource pages, and as a trigger to Wikisourcerers to do more with Wikidata items
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Sam Wilson <[email protected]> wrote: > Yup, still true. We do at least have a common goal of structured HTML, as > defined by http://schema.org/CreativeWork > > It sounds like Tpt's scraper will do wonders, if a Wikisource just > complies to that. I think that's one of the next steps we need to take. > > I sort of figure from the English Wikisource point of view that we should > do more on bringing data *in* from Wikidata, in our {{header}}, rather than > working on making it easier to extract data *out* with > microformats/structured-HTML. Well, we should do both, of course! :-) But > my feeling from the process of getting Author data in from Wikidata is that > the whole Wikidata integration becomes so much more worthwhile and clearer > (and we sort out the various edge cases) when we're actively using it for > real. > > But of course, each Wikisource is in a similar position. :-( And are we to > all be developing the Lua scripts and templates in isolation? Indeed no! > :-) We shall put them all toegther in our brave new Wikisource extension! :) > > —sam > > > > On Wed, 1 Nov 2017, at 04:03 PM, Andrea Zanni wrote: > > @Sam, Tpt, > my personal experience is too that HTML is the way to pull out the > Wikisource important metadata, > but it's also that every Wikisource has sort of a different way to show > them, > meaning that you need to tweak your scraper for each Wikisource. > Is that still true? Last time I did it was more than one year ago, but I > need to try it again soon. > Aubrey > > On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 1:00 AM, Sam Wilson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yes I think you're definitely right! The easier way to send Wikisource > data to Wikidata is going to be a clever gadget that reads the > microformat or schema'd info in each page. My hack was just a quick and > easy test at getting some things added. :) > > Ultimately, I'm actually not that excited about working on the tools > that we need to transfer the data. No no I don't mean that! Well, just > that the end point we're aiming at is that a bunch of info *won't be* at > all in Wikisource, but will be pulled from Wikidata, and so I am much > more interested in making better tools for working with the data in > Wikidata. :-) If you see what I mean. > > My idea with ws-search is that it will progressively pull more and more > data from Wikidata, and only resort to HTML scraping where the data is > missing from Wikidata. I'm attempting to encapsulate this logic in the > `wikisource/api` PHP library. > > > > On Tue, 31 Oct 2017, at 11:14 PM, Thomas Pellissier Tanon wrote: > > Hello Sam, > > > > Thank you for this nice feature! > > > > I have created a few months ago a prototype of Wikisource to Wikidata > > importation tool for the French Wikisource based on the schema.org > > annotation I have added to the main header template (I definitely think > > we should move from our custom microformat to this schema.org markup > that > > could be much more structured). It's not yet ready but I plan to move it > > forward in the coming weeks. A beginning of frontend to add to your > > Wikidata common.js is here: > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Tpt/ws2wd.js > > We should probably find a way to merge the two projects. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Thomas > > > > > Le 31 oct. 2017 à 15:10, Nicolas VIGNERON <[email protected]> > a écrit : > > > > > > 2017-10-31 13:16 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <[email protected]>: > > > Sorry, I am much more of a Wikidatan than a Wikisourcerer! I was > referring to items like this one > > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q21125368 > > > > > > No need to be sorry, that is actually a good question and this example > is even better (I totally forgot this kind of case). > > > > > > For now, this is probably better to deal with it by hands (and I'm not > sure what this tools can even do for this). > > > > > > Cdlt, ~nicolas > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikisource-l mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikisource-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > > Email had 1 attachment: > > + signature.asc > > 1k (application/pgp-signature) > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikisource-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > > *_______________________________________________* > Wikisource-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikisource-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikisource-l > >
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