On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hoi, > How would Commons work for someone who speaks and reads Mazanderani, Nepali > or Yoruba and does not speak English ? They are very welcome to use Commons > but Commons is hardly usable if you are not able to navigate its data and > procedures. > > I proposed less complicated procedures for the smaller Wikipedia combined > with fewer options. This in order to make the use of pictures less > difficult. I also proposed that people mark images that conform to Commons > standards. They can be easily moved by bot. > > In my opinion, my proposal makes it easier on the small projects and > includes a process of normalising towards the use / involvement of Commons. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 12 March 2010 11:39, Billinghurst <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 11 Mar 2010 at 11:06, Erik Moeller wrote: >> >> > Hello all, >> > >> > together with Frank Schulenburg and Naoko Komura, I just participated >> > in a video-conference with the winners of the Google Kiswahili >> > Wikipedia challenge ( http://www.google.com/events/kiswahili-wiki/ ), >> > and we talked about some of the challenges they encountered when >> > contributing to the Swahili Wikipedia. >> > >> > One of the issues was that it was very hard for them to upload files. >> > Specifically, when you're a new user on a small wiki like sw.wp, you >> > _cannot upload_ locally due to a restriction of uploads to >> > autoconfirmed users. The upload link isn't even visible in the sidebar >> > until you're autoconfirmed, and you get a confusing error message if >> > you happen to call up Special:Upload. >> > >> > From a user experience standpoint, this is horrible. >> > >> > For the immediate future, I suggest lifting this restriction for wikis >> > between 1,000 and 50,000 articles in size (large enough to have a few >> > active users, small enough to not yet have lots of policy around these >> > issues). Ultimately we'll want to integrate Commons better into the >> > user experience, but until then, IMO we should eliminate artificial >> > impediments like this which prevent people from growing their >> > communities and frustrate them -- unless there's a proven issue of >> > large scale abuse. Does that make sense? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Erik >> > -- >> > Erik Möller >> > Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation >> > >> >> Erik, >> [2c opinion] >> To me it doesn't make sense. Commons is the home for files that are in the >> public domain, >> as that enables crosswiki use. Why would we want to change that message, >> and in fact work >> against that message? Some could argue that we would be starting to embed a >> counter- >> culture that we know that some will be resistant to change. >> >> To me it would seem far more practicable to put efforts into having images >> seamlessly be >> able to be uploaded to Commons, and provide the interface at the wiki, or >> direct them to >> those resources at Commons. Alternatively if you do allow uploads for all, >> and then have >> an automated process in place to move the images to Commons. >> >> The maintenance task of moving images to Commons from the wikis is quite >> significant, and >> I am not sure why we would be wanting to add to that. If administrators >> have time, it >> should be for valued tasks, not for "make work", for decisions that seem >> not to pay heed >> to our own history, and current events. >> >> In fact, it would be interesting to see some of the data of images on small >> and large >> wikis, including the numbers transferred from each to Commons, and who >> undertook such >> actions (local vs Commons users). >> >> Regards, Andrew >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Really what needs doing is the ability to upload files to commons while never leaving your local wiki. -Chad _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
