Wikipedia was blocked ENTIRELY in China for years; people interested in *reading* as well as contributing used circumvention tools (VPNs etc) to more securely access the site, and just got generic errors if they didn't.
This is an acceptable trade-off which we've allowed the Chinese government to make for us before, and here we're talking about a much smaller effect (on contributors only). Again, it's not our business to fix China. China has to fix China. -- brion On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:15 PM, George William Herbert < [email protected]> wrote: > > > On Aug 20, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Brion Vibber <[email protected]> wrote: > > > IMO it's simply unacceptable to leak authentication tokens or account > > passwords in cleartext; allowing any form of login over HTTP is dinosaur > > behavior and we'd be crazy to let it continue, whether for "some sites" > > only or all. We should require HTTPS for all logins on all sites in all > > languages all the time. > > > This is a defensible position. > > That is not my point. > > It appears that the ops team is about to kick anyone who is unfortunate > enough to live in the wrong countries off the projects, without a clue what > happened or obvious fallback they will realize. Without publicity or > explanation or a HTTP landing pad that explains. > > This magnitude of change is political, not purely technical/operational. > And demands both notification and a fallback that users will be reasonably > able to grasp. > > Again, this is still a little fuzzy as to the impact. But it seems like > we dump China users of en.wp without warning or immediately obvious > workaround. And if that's right, the ops team should not do this. It > needs wider warnings and discussion, and is not an ops decision to make. > > > Sent from Kangphone > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
