On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Ori Livneh <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Quim Gil <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 10/01/2013 11:11 AM, Brion Vibber wrote:
>>
>>> Question for the group:
>>>
>>> Would an officially supported general-purpose MediaWiki hosting service
>>> be
>>> useful to people who would like to run wikis, but don't have the time,
>>> expertise, or resources to maintain their own installation?
>>>
>>> If so, what can we (as interested parties in MediaWiki development and
>>> use)
>>> do to make this happen?
>>>
>>
>> I'd say agree the best approach first with folks like
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/**wiki/Hosting_services<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hosting_services>
>>
>> There are many small companies trying to make a living out of (among
>> other things) MediaWiki hosting and expertise. If we are missing players
>> more involved with the community then we could start knocking those doors
>> rather than triying to build an own house and call it "official".
>>
>
> Can I just say: they're all dinky and antiquated and none of them come
> close to offering the kind of deployment and configuration experience that
> I expect a modern platform to have.
>
> I don't like this "every time you have a new idea, God kills a Community
> member" approach. It'd be more productive to think about the role the
> Foundation could play in ensuring that MediaWiki exposes the right set of
> interfaces for deep integration with configuration management and cloud
> provisioning platforms, and ensuring that these interfaces are intuitive
> and well-documented. This might actually spur some innovation.
>

Other ideas for community engagement:

* Find out what version of MediaWiki each of these hosts is offering and
nag the ones that lag behind to upgrade.
* Find out which extensions (and which versions) each host is offering and
lobby for the inclusion of new extensions.
* Find out whether the management interface provided by the host describes
MediaWiki in a manner that is compelling and accurate, and which concisely
articulates MediaWiki's positioning relative to other wiki and
content-management systems.
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