Again, as far as I'm concerned, we're solving a non-problem. Yes, in theory it would be nice if everyone easily got all permissions to everything. But bugzilla is not set up with the antivandal features needed to make that work. Instead, we should aim to make it possible for newcomers to easily get the permissions *that they need*. I'm not convinced that the ability to assign bugs themselves is an ability *that is needed* by most committers. They only think they need it because (1) we make the field visible, along with a bunch of other unused and unnecessary stuff, and (2) we have bugzilla set up to automatically "assign" bugs to default owners, even if (as is usually the case) the default owners do not plan to work on those bugs.
If newly entered bugs were put in an unassigned state, and the assignment field was hidden for untrusted users when the bugs were unassigned, I think we wouldn't have a problem here. We'd just handle assignment manually using comments in the bug, just as we go with github, etc. If a user starts working on such a long list of bugs that they need bugzilla's (broken, sigh, but it's what we've got) bug list management functions, they can ask to be officially assigned to a bug and/or ask for 'editbugs' permission. This is a huge subset of committers, and so can be handled manually. The principle is that *new contributors shouldn't face roadblocks*. No one has convinced me that the inability to assign bugs to themselves is actually a *roadblock* for new contributors. It's just a *perceived roadblock*, caused by bugzilla's broken design. --scott On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Luis Villa <lvi...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Andre Klapper <aklap...@wikimedia.org > >wrote: > > > On Thu, 2013-11-07 at 08:28 -0800, Quim Gil wrote: > > > In order to get somewhere with this discussion, it would be useful to > > > know the current practice of other free software projects, using > > > Bugzilla or not. As a newcomer, can I assign bugs to myself in GNOME, > > > KDE, Ubuntu, Debian... etc? > > > > It has been a while, but to my recollection, the answer is "no". > > Luis > > -- > Luis Villa > Deputy General Counsel > Wikimedia Foundation > 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 > > NOTICE: *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you > have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the > mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical > reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community > members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity.* > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > -- (http://cscott.net) _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
