On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Jeroen De Dauw <[email protected]>wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Bryan Davis <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Finding a way to separate MW the library from MW the application may be a
> > solution to this conflict. I don't think this would be a trivial
> > project, but it doesn't seem impossible either.
>
> That'd be fanatic if it happened for many other reasons as well. For all
> intents and purposes it is a big caste in the sky though. I expect this to
> not happen in the coming years, unless there is a big shift in opinion on
> what constitutes good software design and architecture in the community.


It sounds like you're retreating from an argument you haven't even started
yet.  A successful proposal will likely be one that can be executed
incrementally without huge workflow shifts, so there may have been
resistance in the past to a particular "blow it all up and start over"
strategy.  However, I haven't yet heard anyone put forward the argument
that MediaWiki's monolithic architecture is the correct long-term
architecture.

I largely agree with Bryan that separating MediaWiki the library from
MediaWiki the application is something we should consider tackling.  I have
a quibble with the wording:  it should be "MediaWiki the set of libraries",
not a single library, and it seems like we could start teasing them out one
at a time if we can agree on a general framework under which this would be
done.

Rob
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