On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Isarra Yos <zhoris...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 13/04/14 14:12, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: > >> But same as the original font stack, the question remains - for everything >>> but mac, what is this supposed to solve? What is the purpose of >>> even having helvetica and arial there when they're already the defaults >>> on >>> their respective systems, and when on other systems they would likely be >>> far worse than the defaults? And for linux, either they'll already be >>> using >>> nimbus sans (if they even have it), or it's not going to be what their >>> renderers are optimised for. >>> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Typography_refresh/Font_choice/Test tells >> me >> Linux now often gets DejaVu as default sans, and I understand we would >> rather force Nimbus if it is available as it is deemed better. Also, free >> font up front. >> >> --Martijn >> > > Deemed better? Better how? According to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Typography_refresh/Font_choice#Body_font_evaluationDejaVu sans scores 0 out of 10 points for "readability, neutrality, and "authority" (does the font look like it conveys reliable information)." Apparently the font is not readable, neutral or authoritive at all, and completely unsuitable for the website. If it is in fact almost completely unreadable it seems reasonable to override it, even if it is the system default, but I have the feeling that there may be some hyperbole in that table. That said, with https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61470 it seems a terrible idea to have Helvetica Neue in the font stack. > But that's what I'm saying - if the configuration is optimised for dejavu > sans, nimbus won't be better at all even if it is a better-engineered font > (doubtful, though, it being an arial clone from what I understand). Letters > will be too close together, sizes and hinting will be off, and that's not > even going into the whole rabbit hole of messing with what people are used > to, which seems to be the single biggest determining factor as to what they > find easy to read once the basics are covered... > > > -I > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
