Indeed, this thread is a bit silly. If someone wants to make an extension that provides a feature, and someone else wants to use it, there's nothing wrong with that. But why would such a thing need proposing?
If the point of Mantle is only to provide a way to bring templates to the client, then sell it that way. Look at the code in Mantle, and the way it's been pitched online and in person. It includes other things too, and has been repeatedly advertised as a general place where any code that is experimental can be put, while also simultaneously pushing for others to depend on it. I have no problem with adding useful functionality to ResourceLoader, even doing so in an extension. I have a problem with trying to develop, what Jon himself call, a code "purgatory". I'm happy to talk in person as well. - Trevor On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Ryan Kaldari <rkald...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > This whole thread seems a bit silly to me. We put stuff that should be in > core into extensions all the time (for lots of different reasons). For > example: WikiEditor, VisualEditor, Echo, MobileFrontend, JsonConfig, etc. > So why is Mantle such a bad idea? There's no consensus on implementing > templating in core yet, so it seems like a pretty cool idea to have an > extension that other extensions can utilize for that technology in the > meantime (instead of writing separate code for the same purpose). The > JsonConfig and EventLogging extensions are basically the same idea, right? > I think if Jon had named the extension "TemplateDooDad" (and hadn't > emphasized the fact that he was avoiding putting the code into core), it > wouldn't have raised anyone's hackles. > > Ryan Kaldari > > > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrob...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Trevor, > > That email you quote was about totally different code and a proposal > > to put it into Mantle and is off topic for this discussion.\T > > Trevor, please grab me in real life, so we can quell this > > misunderstanding asap, I feel for whatever reason I am not effectively > > communicating to you and possibly others and I would like to work out > > why and avoid future misunderstandings. I had hoped to grab you > > yesterday but I didn't get time because of the Flow release, hence my > > lack of reply to that thread. > > > > The main problem Mantle currently solves is: > > "... we both had a need to pass templates from the server to the > > client via ResourceLoader. Mobile has been doing this for a year, and > > rather than another big project like Flow reinventing the wheel, we > > decided it was time to share code." > > > > To put it this way: > > * it would be irresponsible to put code for 2 templating languages > > (Hogan, Handlebars) into core > > * it would be irresponsible to put code to serve templates with no > > templating library whilst the RFC about templating is still > > unresolved. > > * it would be irresponsible for two teams to write exactly the same > > code to serve templates to the client in 2 different extensions. > > > > Your own team member Timo was strongly against me putting this code in > > core in current form and I agreed with him. > > > > "We are paid, as professional software engineers, to write code that > > provides complete solutions, is stable, is clear how to use, doesn't > > break anything and meets MediaWiki's coding conventions" > > > > This particularly offends me by the way. This is a no brainer and of > > course any code Flow or the mobile team is writing will meet coding > > standards and be stable. I'm not going to post bad code to Wikimedia > > servers just as I'm not going to post non-generic non-standardised > > code to core. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
