I agree, it's a matter of consensus which is definitely beyond any
technical discussion.
Vito
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Il 30 settembre 2014 15:55:34 Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgr...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
Hey,
Overall you are suggesting that WMF changes the policy about anonymity and
accept anonymous users. In my view it's not a technical thing and it should
be brought up in wikimedia-l.
BTW: I need to add something about anonymous users and how the system
treats them. When you block all open proxies you close the gate for
sock-puppeteers, zombies and specially trolls which I'm grateful but If you
change the prospective and see the issues as an Iranian, Chinese or other
similar countries the whole thing changes. In these countries using proxies
and "anti-filter" is as common as the using internet. People are using it
literally all the time. as an obvious result, Persian Wikipedia and Chinese
Wikipedia are losing users in great numbers. A troll-minimized environment
came with a great cost for us. Even though Wikipedia is not blocked (at
least in Iran) but switching off the proxy (and dropping all the
connection) just to make an edit simply doesn't worth it for millions of
users.
And it gets worse: Even trusted users in these Wikis that are editing in
sensitive materials [1] can't get the global ip-block exempt right easily
and we see the right as a sensitive right (which it shouldn't be at least
for Iranian and Chinese users).
[1]: By saying sensitive material I don't mean some random political
articles. I mean things that can cause death penalty and execution. We
already saw that for bloggers and facebook users that wrote things against:
leaders, Islam, homosexuality, or even history(!) and they faced death. (If
you want I can show you the news in reliable sources)
Best
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Derric Atzrott <
datzr...@alizeepathology.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I've been a Tor user for many years and I frequently make use of
> anonymising
> proxies services. Recently (yesterday), I set up my first Tor relay.[1]
> This
> has once again gotten the use of Tor and other anonymising services with
> Wikipedia on my mind again.
>
> In a recent article on the Tor blog,[2] Wikipedia is actually called out a
> number of times for being unfriendly to Tor, and I think they make a good
> point.
>
> "[H]ow can we quantify the loss to Wikipedia, and to society at large, from
> turning away anonymous contributors? Wikipedians say 'we have to blacklist
> all
> these IP addresses because of trolls' and 'Wikipedia is rotting because
> nobody
> wants to edit it anymore' in the same breath, and we believe these points
> are related."
>
> There must be a way that we can allow users to work from Tor. My
> understanding
> of why we block Tor categorically is that it is very hard to block
> individual
> Tor users. Perhaps we could allow Tor users to only edit pages if they
> make
> an account? That would allow us to at least block those accounts, which
> increases the cost of being problematic on Wikipedia a bit.
>
> Or to take from the blog post, perhaps Tor users could be issued a
> certificate
> that they could use to prove their identity from one session to another.
> New
> Tor users would need to prove they are the same person as someone we
> already
> trust or their edits would be put in some sort of review queue.
>
> Or combine the two and new accounts made from Tor connections would need
> to have
> their edits reviewed, or perhaps just wouldn't get autopatrolled status as
> quickly (if ever).
>
> There has got to be a better solution to the problem than just blocking
> all Tor
> users completely.
>
> Thank you,
> Derric Atzrott
>
> [1]:
>
>
https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/6413D947D15B81B423D65D76DA3F2BFEF76BEEF2
> [2]:
>
>
https://blog.torproject.org/blog/call-arms-helping-internet-services-accept-anon
> ymous-users
>
>
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