For purposes of account creation, I think of spambots and vandalbots as
being in the same.

If our CAPTCHAs are deterring a significant percentage of humans while
allowing a significant percentage of bots through, we should change
something.

Pine
On Nov 9, 2014 4:38 PM, "Platonides" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 09/11/14 17:19, Marc A. Pelletier wrote:
>
>> On 11/09/2014 10:20 AM, Brian Wolff wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have any attack scenario that is remotely plausible which
>>> requiring a verified email would prevent?
>>>
>>
>> Spambots (of which there are multitude, and that hammer any mediawiki
>> site constantly) have gotten pretty good at bypassing captchas but have
>> yet to respond properly to email loops (and that's a more complicated
>> obstacle than first appears; throwaway accounts are cheap but any
>> process that requires a delay - however small - means that spambot must
>> now maintain state and interact rather than fire-and-forget).
>>
>
> We have so far talked about spambots, but what about *vandals*?
>
> We have a whole class of users interested in damaging/manipulating our
> projects. Some of them just want to create problems, while others have an
> agenda (eg. SEO). A number of them know how to program (even though they
> would probably not create a neural network to OCR our captcha!)
>
> Removing the captcha also lowers the bar for an account creator bot,
> becoming very easy.
>
> Given that a hundred of dormant wikipedia accounts are valuable, will
> $wgAccountCreationThrottle be enough to deter them? Is changing the IP
> every 6 accounts hard enough?
>
> (Actually, you would also need not to raise sysop suspicions from the
> names you generate, but given the weird names people is already using...)
>
>
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