Thanks for the link Jon. It seems only fair that people actually try the feature before ripping it to shreds. Right? We've had extensions to create alternative content curation features in the past, such as books, and this is hardly the first time an experimental feature was launched on mobile first. So hardly seems like time to grab the pitchforks before you even give it a fair shot.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:00 AM Jon Robson <jrob...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > I should add you can opt into mobile beta using this link: > http://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions > > The design still has kinks and the extension still needs work before. > Releasing to mobile beta will get us an audience to identify those issues > and fix them. I'd be keen to get this as a desktop beta feature too if > anyone is willing to help me. > On 26 Mar 2015 7:41 am, "Jon Robson" <jrob...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > A few notes: > > * lists are public in the first version but there is APIs to make them > > private. Public lists is something that will have moderation problems and > > interesting to explore. > > * the feature is _launching_ on mobile. It's built to work on desktop and > > with a tiny bit of work I can turn it on as a beta feature on desktop > (the > > issue is how to replace the existing watchstar on desktop). > > * We considered doing it straight in core based on the watchlist code but > > we figured it would be more responsible to experiment in an extension, > fine > > tune it against a completely different use case to watchlist and then > make > > a proposal to move the good parts/all parts into core. I'm still > personally > > dedicated to resolving the RFC [1]. We have worked hard so that the api > to > > gather is backwards compatible with watchlist methods. > > * you can play with it on betalabs: > > ** http://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special: > Gather/by/Jdlrobson > > ** http://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:Gather > > * I'm personally excited to make multiple watchlists a reality using this > > extension at Lyon if anyone is keen to help me there. The infrastructure > > required is all in Gather. > > > > [1] > > https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Support_ > for_user-specific_page_lists_in_core > > On 26 Mar 2015 7:20 am, "Brian Wolff" <bawo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> On Mar 26, 2015 11:04 AM, "Brian Wolff" <bawo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mar 26, 2015 9:58 AM, "MZMcBride" <z...@mzmcbride.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Hi. > >> > > > >> > > Moushira Elamrawy wrote: > >> > > >The Extension will keep the name Gather and internally the team was > >> more > >> > > >inclined to name the feature "Stacks". However, a survey study has > >> been > >> > > >carried out by the design research team and Collections, as a name > >> for > >> a > >> > > >feature, scored far better than the other suggested alternatives. > >> Full > >> > > >survey information and results are documented here > >> > > >< > >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension%CB%90Gather/renaming_survey>. > >> > > > >> > > Right... in the January 2015 thread you linked, it was quickly > pointed > >> out > >> > > that Extension:Collection already exists. The mobile team, in > typical > >> > > form, decided to ignore any previous work and instead make its own > >> > > project. At least we were able to shout loudly enough to stop this > >> > > functionality from being part of the MobileFrontend extension. > >> > > > >> > > >> > Hey, count your blessings its not called "collections" with just an s > at > >> the end to distinguish it... > >> > > >> > > >This is a new experiment in content curation, which hopefully helps > >> with > >> > > >learning new users behavior on mobile web. We are looking forward > to > >> > > >learning awesome lessons from this beta launch. > >> > > > >> > > As was also previously pointed out, we've had curation support for a > >> long > >> > > time in the form of categories (another feature that could have been > >> > > improved rather than making a new extension). Or making a list of > >> pages > >> > > using wikilinks. Or tagging pages with templates, which > auto-generates > >> an > >> > > index. Perhaps you can explain why this new feature is limited to > >> mobile? > >> > > > >> > > >> > I dont know if this criticism is fair. Many users have been asking for > >> multiple watchlist type functionality for years despite the option of > >> creating a subpage or category and throwing special:recentchangeslinked. > >> Categories dont really have per user namespace, and i think its > important > >> to have interfaces that encourage users to do this sort of thing rather > >> then making them figure out that they are physically able to and allowed > >> to. > >> > > >> > I do agree that its odd that this isnt developed in core for all > users. > >> The faq entry is unconvincing. > >> > > >> > --bawolff > >> > >> Actually after reading the extension page, I'm a little confused. If the > >> goal is to create private personal lists why are the lists public? I can > >> understand the use case for private lists (watchlist). I understand the > >> use > >> case for public lists (categories). What is the use case for > >> pseudo-private > >> lists? > >> > >> Maybe it will make more sense to me when the extension is deployed and I > >> see it in action. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikitech-l mailing list > >> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
