Yes, civility is important and should be enforced. -- brion
On Sunday, August 9, 2015, MZMcBride <[email protected]> wrote: > Steven Walling wrote: > >What kind of standards for behavior we want and think are acceptable is a > >core concern of everyone in the Wikimedia and MediaWiki technical > >communities. > > > >This kind of personally-directed and demeaning feedback ("This seems to be > >a pet issue of yours") is, perhaps ironically, precisely an example of why > >it would improve interaction in technical spaces to have some clearer > >ground rules. > > Clearer ground rules for what? Is this proposed code of conduct intended > to reiterate that stalking and harassment are bad or is the policy > intended to be a tool of people intent on policing civility? > > From reading this mailing list and some of the talk page discussion, it > seems I wasn't the only person who found the "we" language a bit strange. > > When discussing a feature request or a bug fix of almost any kind, I > generally focus on the problems and use-cases that are relevant to the > task. A code of conduct page on mediawiki.org is a particular > implementation, but there has not been sufficient discussion of what > problem(s) this proposed solution is intended to solve. > > Isarra asks on the talk page "What generally comes up now as problems, how > do existing channels fail, and how will this resolve that?" > > Bawolff writes "I guess, the biggest question I have along the why is it > needed lines, is why (concretely) is the friendly space policy not enough, > and what is the intended relationship between this policy and that one." > > The responses to these posts has been incredibly unsatisfactory so far. > > Some of the comments on the talk page such as "Why? Why wait for something > bad to happen to call it out instead of saying 'these kinds of things are > bad, don't do them here'." seem to support the notion that what we're > currently in a classic case of a solution searching for a problem. > > MZMcBride > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] <javascript:;> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
