Sorry, fell back into lawyer mode - specifically, PII is "personally identifiable information" - in our case, usually IP addresses. A badly designed system could send that to the translation system, but we didn't do that - Yandex does not have access to it, so they know nothing about the editors who use the system.
Sorry I was unclear, and thanks to the person who sent me a personal note asking for clarification! Luis — Snt frm a dvice On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Luis Villa <[email protected]> wrote: > I haven't been directly involved in a while, but we were certainly not > paying Yandex last time I looked at the arrangement. Appropriate legal > steps were also taken to protect the licensing of the content, and > appropriate technical steps to protect PII of editors, among other things. > FWIW- > Luis > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 1:12 PM, C. Scott Ananian <[email protected]> > wrote: >> According to my listening of that Metrics meeting, it does seem like >> WMF is going to have to pay Yandex for using its service. But as you >> say, that doesn't infect the actual translation text, which goes into >> wikipedia and extends the free content available for everyone. >> --scott >> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 3:31 PM, John Mark Vandenberg <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Legoktm <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> On 07/02/2015 12:55 PM, Legoktm wrote: >> >>> On 07/01/2015 06:50 PM, Ricordisamoa wrote: >> >>>> Il 02/07/2015 03:28, Legoktm ha scritto: >> >>>>> I noticed: "Yandex coming up soon!" under ContentTranslation. Are >> there >> >>>>> more details about what this means? >> >>>> >> >>>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89844 I think >> >>> >> >>> Thanks for the pointer. After some more digging, I found >> >>> < >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:Content_translation/Specification/Yandex_backend >> >. >> >>> >> >>> So it appears that ContentTranslation will be contacting a third-party, >> >>> closed source service? Are users going to be informed that this is the >> >>> case? What data is being sent? >> >>> >> >> >> >> It appears[1] this has quietly gone ahead without any response here, >> >> which is disappointing. >> >> >> >> [1] >> >> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Content_translation/Documentation/FAQ&diff=1935992&oldid=1780766 >> > >> > As the user is isolated from the communication with Yandex , I don't >> > see it as a huge problem. Using Qualtrics seems to be a much more >> > serious problem, and nobody seems to care about that. >> > >> > Yandex is sort of similar to a "MP4 upload only" support, only without >> > the patent concerns. Relying on it comes at the risk that the service >> > stops, but the free content created is not infected. More likely, >> > Yandex will start asking WMF for money, and WMF decides to pay because >> > it is 'easier' than terminating using the service. >> > >> > Anyway, I've added it to >> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Open_source >> > >> > -- >> > John Vandenberg >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikitech-l mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> >> >> >> -- >> (http://cscott.net) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> > -- > Luis Villa > Sr. Director of Community Engagement > Wikimedia Foundation > *Working towards a world in which every single human being can freely share > in the sum of all knowledge.* _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
