Agreed. If I had a binary choice between investing in Echo and investing in Flow, I would be inclined to choose Echo.
Pine On Nov 14, 2015 7:08 AM, "Derk-Jan Hartman" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank goodness. Finally we might be able to start fully building out the > promise of powerful, targeted and appropriate messaging that Echo always > was the the kick off for. > I especially like the acknowledgment of the 'volume knob'. Balancing the > 'noise' of messaging is going to be really important. > > I've always been a big proponent (Nick knows this all to well :D ) of > investing in this area, seeing it as one of the few places of investment > that can bring our communication between community members, but also the > communication between foundation and editors to a level that is required to > sustain and improve what we have right now, but most definitely to take our > communities into the future. I predict big returns on improving this area. > Awesomeness. > > DJ > > > On 13 nov. 2015, at 23:41, Nick Wilson (Quiddity) <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Hi, this is an update on the work we in the Collaboration team are > > doing. Our focus is on cross-wiki notifications and other back-end > > improvements to that system. > > > > Our long-term goals are to make various improvements to the Notification > system. > > > > Notifications are at the core of many different on-wiki activities. > > Making notifications easy to find and use can help those processes. We > > are focusing our immediate plans on supporting cross-wiki > > notifications. These will help editors stay informed about the changes > > they care about on every Wikimedia project on which they work. This is > > especially important for the editors who work on more than one wiki. > > Examples include if you upload to Commons, curate on Wikidata, or edit > > in two or more languages. > > > > The team has spent the last few weeks researching the existing and > > proposed features. This has included examining existing tools such as > > Crosswatch. We've been considering the problems of: > > > > * technical performance (scaling the requests across 800+ wikis), > > * user preferences (both existing and desired), > > * user interface design possibilities (how it should work), > > * how to release an initial, user-testable version for feedback and > > improvement, and > > * how to measure the impact of the project (reducing the time it takes > > to process a notification). > > > > We are also doing user research via 1-on-1 interviews. In these we ask > > active editors about their current notification usage and pain-points. > > Using a prototype we are evolving, we get feedback on directions to > > take the design. > > > > == Details and further reading == > > You can read more about the technical details at: > > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Cross-wiki_notifications > > . > > > > Some of the new backend improvements to Echo: > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T107823 ("Rewrite > > EchoNotificationFormatter") and linked tasks. > > > > User preference options are: > > * https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117670 ("Define Cross-wiki > > Notifications settings") > > > > User interface design possibilities cover several questions. For > > example, how should cross-wiki notifications look within the pop-up? > > How and when should we add enhancements to the Special:Notifications > > page to filter things? We are drafting and discussing these in: > > > > * https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114357 (Clarifications to the > > currently confusing "primary/secondary" link, and proposed future > > enhancements) > > * https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114356 (Bundled notifications) > > * https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115264 (Controlling notification > > 'volume' based on the type or location) > > * https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115845 (Clearer use of the > > notification badges (coloured number in personal toolbar)) > > * https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115316 (Better organization of > > the Special:Notifications page) > > > > Note: Most of these are not part of the cross-wiki notifications > > feature. We won't for sure roll all these out together with the main > > change. > > > > We started user research at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114086 > > and it continues at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T116741 . (Note: > > You can sign-up as a volunteer at https://wikimedia.org/research .) > > > > A user-testable release is still just in planning. We decided on a > > Beta Feature on each wiki as the most scalable and least confusing of > > all the do-able options. Read our plans in > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114237 ("Present cross-wiki > > notifications as a beta feature to users"). This will help users to > > try the feature anytime, disabling it if it interferes with their work > > in some context, and easily suggest how the tool could be improved. > > > > There is no system for users having or setting cross-wiki preferences. > > Waiting to building this would take a long time. For now, we plan to > > let you enable the Beta Feature at each wiki on which you want to test > > it. This will let you have a small-scale Beta Feature that you can all > > try out. We will be able to discover bugs, edge-cases, iterate more, > > and get even more feedback. Later, when we know what features you > > need, we can build such a cross-wiki preferences system (including the > > task linked above). > > > > Whilst you wait, we would love to hear your feedback on the above. > > What comments, what design ideas, and what technical concerns do you > > have? Please tell us on the linked tasks if you can. > > > > I'll send further updates, when the planned Beta Feature is about to be > ready. > > > > On behalf of the Collaboration team, thank you to everyone who has > > given your help already. > > > > -- > > Nick Wilson / Quiddity > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
