On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Quim Gil <[email protected]> wrote: > > On the collateral topic of where to publish project concepts... it's > complicated. I think this deserves its own discussion in the context > of the WMF product development process in the drafts. I have created a > topic at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Su5sgwsd967s1nya.
Hi Quim. How are IdeaLab ideas related to the WMF product development process? > There > are other ongoing discussions related to the first steps of proposals > and experiments willing to be prioritized, and so far all of them are > referenced at the related task > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115659. > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 7:48 AM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: > > As a long-time phabricator user (and long-time community member) I > > really don't get the desire to push this to Phabricator. This is not > > to say it is bad: it is good at what it is designed to do (handling > > technical tasks in an all-encompassing sorta way). But lately it feels > > like every conversation about a process involves debating whether that > > too goes to Phabricator - in this case, a non-technical process. > > > > Funded IdeaLab projects /that are technical/ ending up on Phabricator > > sounds great: treat it as we would any other code. But the > > consultations and discussions themselves are very deliberately > > oriented towards our community - because IdeaLab projects are - a > > community that tends not to have Phabricator accounts, not to have > > experience using the system, and tends to conduct discussion in a much > > more prose-based and conversational style than Phabricator easily > > supports: it's designed for bug-tracking, not 100-comment threads. > > MediaWiki, however, is designed (for a given value of "designed" ;p) > > for those sorts of discussions, and additionally is software that > > literally everyone people reach out to about the IdeaLab is likely to > > be somewhat familiar with. > > > > So I'd rather we kept the discussions there - in a venue that is > > already used, for an audience that is familiar with that venue - than > > shift them over to a project that isn't designed for these kinds of > > interactions and doesn't offer familiarity to the users the IdeaLab > > tries to reach. Phabricator should be for transparency and process > > when a project with technical components is funded. > > > > On 8 December 2015 at 01:14, Rob Lanphier <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Chris, > >> > >> I wonder if we can use Phabricator as an incubator for IdeaLab > proposals? > >> We already have the #possible-tech-projects tag in Phabricator [1], > which > >> seems like a sensible place to discuss the ideas amongst the people who > >> have ideas in this area. > >> > >> I know there is some cynicism about the upcoming Wikimedia Developer > Summit > >> in January, because it seems like a great opportunity to talk about > what we > >> want, but then not have a strategy for getting it done. That seems > >> justified, since "resourcing" seems a constant refrain in these > >> conversations. Would anyone from IdeaLab be available to be at WikiDev > >> '16, looking out for appropriate opportunities to get from ideas to > >> IdeaLab(tm) grant proposals? > >> > >> Rob > >> > >> [1] The board: < > >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/> and the > >> description: <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1042/> > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Chris Schilling < > [email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hey everyone, > >>> > >>> I've recently initiated a consultation to help decide on topics for > IdeaLab > >>> campaigns for the future, and I'm very interested in your input on what > >>> technical issues, gaps, or general features we could consider focusing > our > >>> attention upon. These campaigns can generate novel proposals for > tools and > >>> improvements to address needs in the Wikimedia projects to which you > >>> contribute: > >>> > >>> < > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Future_IdeaLab_Campaigns> > >>> > >>> You can offer feedback and add your own campaign topics through a > survey > >>> conducted through AllOurIdeas < > >>> http://www.allourideas.org/idealab_campaigns> > >>> in addition to participating on the IdeaLab talk page. > >>> > >>> I’m looking forward to seeing your feedback and exploring potential > >>> directions we can take IdeaLab campaigns starting next year. > >>> > >>> Take care, > >>> > >>> Jethro > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Chris "Jethro" Schilling > >>> I JethroBT (WMF) < > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:I_JethroBT_(WMF)> > >>> Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation > >>> <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikitech-l mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikitech-l mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > > > > -- > > Oliver Keyes > > Count Logula > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > -- > Quim Gil > Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > -- Jonathan T. 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