Hi Rob, Oliver sums up my thoughts on this matter quite well; IdeaLab is pretty well-suited for building initial ideas, getting feedback from relevant communities at large, revising/expanding proposals, and preparing it for a WMF grant (we even have buttons that migrate IdeaLab proposals into official grant proposals) #possible-tech-projects is a great resource and I think it should continue to be used, but I see it as one avenue of gathering feedback on a proposal from a specific segment of Wikimedia communities.
As for the Wikimedia Developer Summit, that's a great suggestion. We're looking into either having myself or one of the grant program officers there to engage folks who could benefit from funding for their technical work. On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: > As a long-time phabricator user (and long-time community member) I > really don't get the desire to push this to Phabricator. This is not > to say it is bad: it is good at what it is designed to do (handling > technical tasks in an all-encompassing sorta way). But lately it feels > like every conversation about a process involves debating whether that > too goes to Phabricator - in this case, a non-technical process. > > Funded IdeaLab projects /that are technical/ ending up on Phabricator > sounds great: treat it as we would any other code. But the > consultations and discussions themselves are very deliberately > oriented towards our community - because IdeaLab projects are - a > community that tends not to have Phabricator accounts, not to have > experience using the system, and tends to conduct discussion in a much > more prose-based and conversational style than Phabricator easily > supports: it's designed for bug-tracking, not 100-comment threads. > MediaWiki, however, is designed (for a given value of "designed" ;p) > for those sorts of discussions, and additionally is software that > literally everyone people reach out to about the IdeaLab is likely to > be somewhat familiar with. > > So I'd rather we kept the discussions there - in a venue that is > already used, for an audience that is familiar with that venue - than > shift them over to a project that isn't designed for these kinds of > interactions and doesn't offer familiarity to the users the IdeaLab > tries to reach. Phabricator should be for transparency and process > when a project with technical components is funded. > > On 8 December 2015 at 01:14, Rob Lanphier <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > > > I wonder if we can use Phabricator as an incubator for IdeaLab proposals? > > We already have the #possible-tech-projects tag in Phabricator [1], which > > seems like a sensible place to discuss the ideas amongst the people who > > have ideas in this area. > > > > I know there is some cynicism about the upcoming Wikimedia Developer > Summit > > in January, because it seems like a great opportunity to talk about what > we > > want, but then not have a strategy for getting it done. That seems > > justified, since "resourcing" seems a constant refrain in these > > conversations. Would anyone from IdeaLab be available to be at WikiDev > > '16, looking out for appropriate opportunities to get from ideas to > > IdeaLab(tm) grant proposals? > > > > Rob > > > > [1] The board: < > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/> and the > > description: <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1042/> > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Chris Schilling < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Hey everyone, > >> > >> I've recently initiated a consultation to help decide on topics for > IdeaLab > >> campaigns for the future, and I'm very interested in your input on what > >> technical issues, gaps, or general features we could consider focusing > our > >> attention upon. These campaigns can generate novel proposals for tools > and > >> improvements to address needs in the Wikimedia projects to which you > >> contribute: > >> > >> < > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Future_IdeaLab_Campaigns> > >> > >> You can offer feedback and add your own campaign topics through a survey > >> conducted through AllOurIdeas < > >> http://www.allourideas.org/idealab_campaigns> > >> in addition to participating on the IdeaLab talk page. > >> > >> I’m looking forward to seeing your feedback and exploring potential > >> directions we can take IdeaLab campaigns starting next year. > >> > >> Take care, > >> > >> Jethro > >> > >> -- > >> Chris "Jethro" Schilling > >> I JethroBT (WMF) <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:I_JethroBT_(WMF) > > > >> Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation > >> <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikitech-l mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Count Logula > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > -- Chris "Jethro" Schilling I JethroBT (WMF) <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:I_JethroBT_(WMF)> Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home> _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
