On 29 Sep 2016 10:10 pm, "Marcin Cieslak" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dnia 28.09.2016 Quim Gil <[email protected]> napisał/a:
>
> > Summit sessions are considered tasks themselves, not just a conversation
> > happening in a room and eventually documented in a wiki page.
>
> I think this kind of captures the opinions expressed here very well
> (if it could be one sentence).
>
> a. Some folk prefer Phabricator because it provides workflow, tracking,
> boards, hierarchy (task->substask), explicit (scrollable) history,
> short URL's.
These are some things that Phabricator does very well, and it wouldn't make
sense to reinvent the wheel to put them in MediaWiki - MediaWiki is a wiki
after all, and not dedicated project management/bug tracker software.
>
> b. Others prefer MediaWiki because it is easier to cooperate in-place,
> visual editor, better search, good linking, readable titles and being
loyal
> to our own tools.
Phabricator's linking to tasks is good when you use the {resource} format.
The MediaWiki visual editor is good, and it can be used on mobile, unlike
Phabricator's preview mode when adding comments to tasks, which has never
worked.
>
> I'd say (a) set of requirements is better for typical (classic) project
> management, for something bound in time and resources that needs to be
> managed swiftly.
>
> Set (b) of requirements provides better community involvement,
transparency
> and it is easier to maintain things that are perpetual work in progress
> (never need to be really "done").
>
> (a) is better for "fast moving consumer goods" of sorts,
> (b) is better for long-term stuff.
>
> But wiki is not a "final resting place" of a documentation polished
> elsewhere. Things should not become "eventually documented
> in a wiki page").
Agree.
>
> In my other note I wrote how CCC is using pentabarf submission and
> conference scheduling tool for (a) and MediaWiki for (b) probably
> for the same reasons we have here.
>
> I think I kind of share both points of view: my event organiser's brain
> is with (a) but my volunteer heart is with (b).
>
>
> One nice solution would be to teach Phabricator to treat links
> to wiki items as first-class objects that can be tagged, prioritized,
> deadlined, assigned, traced etc. I could imagine having MediaWiki pages
> as items on the project board and some correspondence between categories
> and phab tasks and boards. A casual look on the Phabricator does not
> reveal we have a Task for that (but it might be I could not find it) .
>
>
> There is one more thing that may explain why we are having this discussion
> for now: Phabricator filled with content we have at the moment is very
> difficult to search. I literally have to remember titles of the tasks
Phabricator search is terrible. I have trouble every time I need to find
something on Phabricator, to the point that it is easier to go and search
through where I originally found out about the task, e.g. IRC logs.
> to try to somehow find them again. I have a feeling (that might be our
> fault and not software's) that it's filled with temporal junk
> which was there only for the purpose of some workflow/tracking sometime
> ago. I somehow feel our Phabricator instance is overloaded with
> those shooting starts (events, shortlived action items etc.).
>
>
> This has started to annoy me some time ago (especially given
> my ad-hoc and seasonal interest in MediaWiki development) but
> it has never overflowed enough to say something about it,
> I just sighed and moved on.
>
>
> I think many participants in this thread feel something similar
> and this thread just got hijacked to express something
> a bit broader than the original purpose of this discussion.
>
>
> Saper
>
> sent from a desktop device. please excuse my verbosity.
>
>
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