> Our understanding is that renaming extensions in MediaWiki is a long and complicated process, so we'll likely not be able to rename it in the foreseeable future.
Why? Renaming is usually a bad thing because it often confuses the hell out of users, but from a technical perspective it is pretty trivial. -- Bawolff On Friday, August 4, 2023, Luca Toscano <ltosc...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hi Amir! > > Answering inline: > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 10:11 PM Amir E. Aharoni < > amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > >> >> The email says that "All ML models currently accessible on ORES are also >> currently accessible on Lift Wing", and if I understand correctly, this >> means that this feature in Recent Changes will keep working. Do I >> understand correctly? :) >> > > Definitely yes, we are working on migrating the ORES extension to Lift > Wing, without any change required for users. The tracking task is > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T319170. At the moment all wikis with > the ORES extension enabled, except fi/en/wikidata, are already using models > from Lift Wing. > > >> In addition, I have some followup questions: >> >> 1. The MediaWiki extension that implements the frontend in Recent Changes >> is itself named "ORES". It's an internal name that isn't seen much by wiki >> editors except if they go to Special:Version or to translatewiki. >> Nevertheless, as the time goes by, seeing the old name may start getting >> weird. So what's the plan about it? Will this extension remain as is? Will >> it be renamed? Will it be replaced with a new frontend extension in the >> foreseeable future? >> > > This is a good question and we don't have a definitive answer at the > moment. Our understanding is that renaming extensions in MediaWiki is a > long and complicated process, so we'll likely not be able to rename it in > the foreseeable future. We would definitely like to add more models to RC > Filters, for example Revert Risk (for the curious, see > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Machine_learning_models/Proposed/Language- > agnostic_revert_risk), but we are not sure yet if it is worth to create a > new extension or just to expand the ORES one. We'll get back to this list > as soon as we have a better plan :) > > >> 2. Back when ORES was originally developed and deployed around 2017, >> several wiki editors' communities participated in the development by >> adapting the product to the needs of their wikis and languages by >> translating the ORES extension's user interface and, more importantly, by >> labelling a sample of several thousands of diffs from their wiki using the >> Wikilabels tool. The communities that did that whole process were, more or >> less, the communities to which this Recent Changes enhancement was >> deployed. Will anything like that have to be done again along with the move >> away from ORES? >> > > The first goal of Lift Wing is to provide a more modern and easy-to-use > infrastructure to host models at the WMF, for internal teams and for the > community. The focus of the Machine Learning team is to provide > infrastructure to run models on, so other teams and the community will be > able to propose what to host and we'll vet what is possible and what not > (following strict criteria like security of data and PII, model > architecture feasibility, etc..). Once a model is deployed on Lift Wing, > there will be a team or a community group owning it, namely responsible for > its development in terms of features etc.. (more info in > https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Machine_Learning/ > LiftWing#Hosting_a_model). > To summarize: > * All the work done so far with ORES models will be preserved, it is > already available on Lift Wing and anybody can use it. We hope that it is > now easier to play with model servers and improve them (for WMF and the > community), but we are open to any suggestion and feedback about how to > improve it. For the curious, more details in the Lift Wing Wikitech page ( > https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Machine_Learning/LiftWing). > * The future work will be split into two main areas (as I see it): > ** The ML team will keep working on improving the infrastructure, > documentation, performance, etc.. of Lift Wing, to provide better tools and > data access for any new idea related to models and their usage. We'll > maintain the infrastructure with monitoring/alarms/etc.., so the day-to-day > ops will not fall on the model owners (WMF and community), so that they > will be able to concentrate themselves only on the models and their future > steps. > ** Other WMF teams like Research will propose and work on new models that > the community needs, but we'll also focus on improving what is currently > being used. For example, most of the ORES traffic is for the goodfaith and > damaging models that worked very well over the years but they rely on old > training data and architectures. The Revert Risk models (for example, > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Machine_learning_models/Proposed/ > Language-agnostic_revert_risk) are an attempt to improve the reliability > and performance of the aforementioned models, using a single score instead > of multiple ones. > > >> 3. Will this change open up the possibility of deploying this Recent >> Changes enhancement, or a newer version thereof, to more wikis and >> languages? >> > > It may be possible in the future to enhance even more the RC Filters, at > the moment we are concentrating on migrating the current ones to Lift Wing, > but after that we'll start figuring out what is the next step. Any > suggestion or advice is really welcome! (see https://wikitech. > wikimedia.org/wiki/ORES#Machine_Learning_contacts) > > > If you think that my questions show a wrong understanding of something, >> please let me know—as I said in the beginning, its quite possible :) >> > > Thanks a lot for the questions, I hope I answered your doubts, feel free > to follow up if anything is missing! > > Luca (on behalf of the ML team) >
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