It should be possible to see whether the browser is indeed firing off many requests by using the network monitor. See https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/devtools-user/network_monitor/index.html
On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 at 07:00, Travis Briggs <audiod...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Martini, > > Ah ok. I'm not going to investigate further, but I didn't see any > JavaScript requests when I clicked that link. So my best guess (and > something to think about for anyone else looking into this for the sheer > mystery of it) is that it is something at the protocol layer. That is, > maybe some Wikipedia servers started speaking HTTP/2, or changed their HTTP > implementation, and the old version of Firefox doesn't understand it and > re-requests the URL many times in succession. Just a wild guess. > > Cheers, > -Travis > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 10:50 PM Leonid G <leon...@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Hello Travis, >> >> >> >> On this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Old_map_of_Ryazan.jpg >> for example, when I press the link at “Other resolutions: 315 × 240 >> pixels >> <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Old_map_of_Ryazan.jpg/330px-Old_map_of_Ryazan.jpg> >> ”. >> >> >> >> Thanks and kind regards! >> >> >> >> Martini >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Hi Martini, >> >> >> >> When you say the error 429 "comes out" what does that mean? Where is that >> error displayed? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Travis >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 10:40 PM Leonid G via Wikitech-l < >> wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >> Hello Timo, >> >> >> >> thank you very much for the explanation regarding CSS. Then it’s not the >> root of my problem! >> >> >> >> By the way, who is Tim? I haven’t got his message. >> >> >> >> The error symbol in my screenshot is appears NOT for certain types. Some >> jpg’s show perfecty up, but most are shown as errors. This goes for png and >> others as well. >> >> >> >> Yes. Every wiki link to a picture of Ryazan on this page ( >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Old_map_of_Ryazan.jpg) doesn’t work >> for me. An error >> >> “Too many requests - 47f834a351bd” comes out: >> >> >> >> *If you report this error to the Wikimedia System Administrators, please >> include the details below.* >> >> >> >> *Request served via cp5030 cp5030, Varnish XID 514771340* >> >> *Upstream caches: cp5030 int* >> >> *Error: 429, Too many requests - 47f834a351bd at Fri, 27 Jun 2025 >> 05:27:01 GMT* >> >> >> >> But the link to the source works perfectly well. >> >> >> >> And your link: >> >> >> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Old_map_of_Ryazan.jpg/500px-Old_map_of_Ryazan.jpg >> >> works for me fine as well. >> >> >> >> On the Supermium, that is overloading my system, I can see all wiki pages >> perfectly, with all pictures and maps intact. And on Firefox 52 and 68 not. >> So the problem is not with WinXP, it’s somewhere between the old versions >> of Firefox and Wikipedia. >> >> >> >> Thanks and kind regards! >> >> >> >> Martini >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 26 Jun 2025, at 20:05, Leonid G via Wikitech-l wrote: >> >> […] >> >> On a clear morning’s mind I’m very skeptical if this tool will solve my >> issue. Wikipedia is not actively blocking the use of my browser. Its CSS >> seems to have been changed so the pictures and maps do not show up. >> >> >> >> So back to my question: can I do something in my side, except for >> changing the system or the browser, to see the pictures and maps again? >> […] >> >> >> >> The error symbol in place of the images means that CSS is not relevant >> here. >> >> >> >> CSS is robust and protected against unknown rules. It's very rare that a >> CSS issue could cause an image to be hidden. The only way that CSS will >> hide an image, is if a developer intentionally applies a rule like opacity >> 0, display none, or visibility hidden. This could in theory be done as part >> of an animation, and perhaps the second part of such animation is >> unsupported, in which case it could remain hidden. This would be in our >> control to fix. However, if this was the case, the place where the image >> goes would be blank, not display the "broken image" symbol that you see. >> >> >> >> As Tim points out, this symbol seems to only be there in your screenshot >> for certain image image types and not others (JPEG vs PNG). That further >> confirms there is no styling issue as that would apply to all image >> thumbnails equally. >> >> >> >> Did you try opening it in a new tab? For example, open this link: >> >> >> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b7/Old_map_of_Ryazan.jpg/500px-Old_map_of_Ryazan.jpg >> >> >> >> This is a direct image URL. There is no HTML, CSS or JavaScript in our >> control when viewing this. If the image fails there, then there is most >> likely something defect in the browser or operating system. If you really >> want to rule it out further, I suggest to download ("save as") the JPEG >> image from this exact URL on someone else's computer, and send it to >> yourself / to this computer (perhaps by email) and then drag it into a new >> Firefox tab / empty browser window to view it. Does it work there? If that >> works, but the same image by URL does not, then we can revisit if there's >> something else going on. >> >> >> >> -- Timo >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikitech-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list -- wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wikitech-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/postorius/lists/wikitech-l.lists.wikimedia.org/
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