Hello everyone,
Thank you for your responses!
Yes, I also believe that introduce a new font in ULS or the wiki itself is
definitely a better choice, but I doubt if the maintainers of ULS will allow
that since the webfont feature is in maintenance only mode. Can they be reached
out here? I believe we do have a valid use case.
Also, in our minimum product, we do take unicode-range into account. We also
attempted to minimize traffic by creating a single-glyph font dynamically on
the server side, but the Toolforge availability problem still exists.
Best regards,
diskdance
On Monday, November 3rd, 2025 at 4:34 AM, Travis Briggs <[email protected]>
wrote:
> For conditional loading you can just use the CSS `unicode-range` property
> (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@font-face/unicode-range)
> and the browser will only load the font if one of the codepoints that you
> specified that it handles is present in the page.
>
> -Travis
>
> On Sun, Nov 2, 2025 at 12:28 PM Amir Sarabadani <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In Persian Wikipedia, people who want to use a different font (e.g. Vazir)
>> that are free, they just load them through a gadget: For example
>> https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%85%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%A9%DB%8C:Gadget-Vazir.css
>> (See the full list of font gadgets
>> [https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/ویژه:ابزارها](https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%DB%8C%DA%98%D9%87:%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%87%D8%A7)
>> in fonts section)
>>
>> If you're working to allow better rendering of rare characters, my
>> suggestion would be to load the font only conditionally on pages that use
>> the rare characters, for example using categories (you can now load a gadget
>> if a category exists:
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets#Options) or alternatively a
>> js detecting the issue and loading the gadget (which might cause FOUC so not
>> really recommended). In Persian Wikipedia, we wanted to load poems with a
>> different look (Nastaliq) and the idea we came up with was to basically, if
>> Template:Poem is used, then load a font gadget to show the poems differently.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Am So., 2. Nov. 2025 um 21:14 Uhr schrieb Brian Wolff <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> I'd really hope an alternative could be found here. Either let a new font
>>> into ULS or allow the webfont to be uploaded to the local wiki as a file on
>>> a one-off basis.
>>>
>>> I personally think loading anything by default from toolforge is really bad
>>> policy. (To be clear, im just a rando, this is just my personal opinion)
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 2 November 2025, diskdance via Wikitech-l
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> The Chinese Wikipedia is holding a discussion [1][2] about wiping out
>>>> tofus when displaying rare Chinese characters. During the discussion, one
>>>> option turned out to be serving a webfont covering all CJK planes, which
>>>> was the practice on Chinese Wikipedia more than a decade ago before it was
>>>> disabled for security reasons. Since the reasons are still valid and ULS
>>>> is no longer accepting new font additions, so the only feasible way to
>>>> achieve this is to serve the webfont via a Toolforge domain.
>>>>
>>>> Due to potential impacts of this proposal, I'm writing to ask:
>>>>
>>>> - Is it acceptable to serve a webfont (conditionally or not conditionally)
>>>> via Toolforge by default, policy-wise?
>>>> - And is it acceptable in terms of performance (since Toolforge is not
>>>> using Wikimedia's CDN)?
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%8A%80%E6%9C%AF#%E7%94%9F%E5%83%BB%E5%AD%97webfont
>>>> [2]
>>>> https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%8A%80%E6%9C%AF#%E4%BB%8B%E7%BB%8D%EF%BC%9AWebFont-ZH%E6%9C%8D%E5%8A%A1%E5%8F%8A%E5%B0%8F%E5%B7%A5%E5%85%B7
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> diskdance
>>>
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