STOP SENDING ME EMAILS STOP STOP STOP On 30 Sep 2012 15:45, <[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Management of this mailing list (Abd ulRahman Lomax) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:44:45 -0700 (PDT) > From: Abd ulRahman Lomax <[email protected]> > To: Erkan Yilmaz <[email protected]>, Mailing list for Wikiversity > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Well, Cormaggio has not edited Wikipedia for more than a year. > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Cormaggio&action=view > > He has not edited Wikiversity for almost two years. > http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cormaggio. > > Cormaggio has been inactive everywhere in the WMF, at least through this > unified log-in. > > > Sebmol is listed as a manager of this list as well. He has not edited > Wikiversity since March 2011, when he noted he was inactive and was willing > to be removed as a bureaucrat. > http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity:Community_Review/Abd&diff=prev&oldid=715970Sebmolhas > been active on de. wikipedia, this year. Not much. > > It's obvious. We don't have an active list moderator. The complaining > account is indeed listed as a member receiving the digest. > > If we get another echo from Harry, I'm going to take an action that might > resolve the problem for him. I'm going to request a password restoration > message in his name. If he responds to it, as he has to other messages, we > might be able to fix this for him. Unorthodox, yes, but it will not do any > actual harm to him, since he wants to be unsubscribed to all WMF lists, > apparently. It risks revealing his password. Note that anyone could do this > for any of us.... that's how the listserve works. I'm not using any special > privilege. The password is mailed to the subscription address, and if the > user responds to mails without looking at them, he's in danger anyway. > > Of course, if he starts paying attention, he can indeed fix this himself, > the listserv seems to be working normally. > > I already requested unsubscription in his name. If he follows the > instructions in that mail, he'll be unsubscribed and we won't hear from him > again. > > Meanwhile, the lack of list administration is a possible problem, this > particular manifestation is relatively minor. We are probably losing > subscribers over this, but only a list manager can tell, if they can access > the logs. > > ? > > I'd act to fix this, on-wiki, but ... I 'm still blocked from almost a > year ago, the unblock template on my Talk page has no response, in spite of > some request from the community, ignored. WV is, in many respects, dead. > Such community as still exists stopped paying attention to central > administrative matters, and so the technocrats rule, but they also lose > interest, so in some areas, there is nobody ruling or acting. I basically > gave up, given lack of purposeful community response supporting what I was > doing. A majority isn't enough! When there is a lack of consensus on > specific actions, admins have free reign, and policy doesn't matter. I was > blocked for defending long-standing community policy on blocking. I'd just > been desysopped outside of policy, as an "emergency" on meta. The emergency > was that I'd acted, according to policy, reversing after discussion (once, > not wheel-warring) a block of another user made by the 'crat who then > requested the > desysop, and, when a user changed the policy abusively, I requested > custodian attention and was blocked for not other offense than civilly > requesting attention. > > > And the block proved that the policy wasn't worth the paper it wasn't > written on. The real policy: a 'crat can do whatever he likes, can block > anyone he doesn't like. No consequences, and no appeal is of any use. And > the 'crat doesn't need to be, at all, an active WV user, he can just pop in > whenever. > > > I don't know where requests to add moderators are handled (meta?). > > > > From: Erkan Yilmaz <[email protected]> > >To: Abd ulRahman Lomax <[email protected]>; Mailing list for > Wikiversity <[email protected]> > >Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 1:22 PM > >Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list > > > > > >Harry had this request/game some time ago, where I tried to help him > >not sure why he could not succeed > > > >afaik: Cormac is mod of the mailing list, he should be able to do > something about this > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cormaggio > > > > > > > >Erkan > > > > > >On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >The sequence reveals that no moderator is both monitoring this list and > willing to respond to the request, and possibly the listserver is not > working properly. > >> > >> > >> > >>Yes, the user should be able to handle his own unsubscription and is > being obtuse, repeating a message, insistently, to people who can't do > anything about the situation, and perhaps not following instructions that > come with every mail, or if he is, he is not requesting help, describing > the specific problem encountered, he is merely demanding that someone DO > SOMETHING TO FIX THIS! > >> > >> > >> > >>A common reason would be that the user no longer has access to an > account for sending mail, but is still receiving mail to that account. If > that is the case here, then Harry isn't telling anyone what the account is. > The complete headers from a list mail to him would show what's happening. > (Below, I figure out that this is not the case here. It's commonly a case > with open mailing lists, this list is, however, closed.) > >> > >> > >> > >>STOP and all that does absolutely nothing. The instructions below do say > how to unsubscribe. One of Harry's mails seems to be a response to a mail > from [email protected] and it looks like the > subject was not created as instructed for unsubscription. > >> > >> > >>If Harry tells us what he has done, and what happened, we will then know > more specifically what to do about it. I'm not personally going to file a > complaint with the overall wikimedia.org listserver administration unless > I can verify a problem. And they are quite likely, given the massive > subscription lists, to ignore complaints written in all caps that don't > provide adequate information. > >> > >> > >> > >>To find out if the listserver is operating, I entered a number of > commands through the web interface, which is *public*. I merely need enter > the subscribed email address. The page is at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > >> > >> > >>On that page, in the "Wikiversity-l" subscribers section, after entering > my subscribed email address, I pressed the "unsubscribe or edit options" > button. > >> > >> > >>I got a member options page acknowledging my email address as a > subscriber, and one of the buttons was unsubscribe. I pressed the > unsubscribe button, and, after a few minutes' delay, I received a > confirmation mail. If I had responded with no changes to that mail, I > presume I'd have been unsubscribed. I'd forgotten my password, which is not > needed for unsubscription, so I then pressed the password reminder button > and my password was emailed to me. Using the password, I logged in to the > member options page. There is also an immediate unsubscription option there > (since they know it's you because you logged in with the password.) > >> > >> > >>So I did the same, using the Harry address from the mails. I then > pressed an unsubscribe bottom, which, if Harry is a subscriber, would send > him a confirmation mail, with instructions that, if followed carefully, > will unsubscribe him. On the other hand, I tested this with a ridiculous > subscription address. The interface does not reveal if the person is a > subscriber or not. > >> > >> > >>If Harry does not receive a mail, he can then strongly infer that he is > not, under this email address, subscribed to the list. That, then, means > that *nobody* can help him, unless he provides the subscription mailing > address. > >> > >> > >>However, it is very likely that Harry is a subscriber, because the list > will reject mails from non-subscribers. I just tested that. Harry's mails, > from his gmail address, are not being held for moderator approval. (If a > moderator has set automatic approval, it would go through, but he'd also be > getting the message held for approval message. I've seen a moderator set up > automatic bounce approval when the moderation didn't want to surrender > control but also didn't have the time to actually manage the list.) > >> > >> > >> > >>Harry, when you are in the middle of an amygdala hijack, you may not be > able to respond to instructions clearly. See if you can do whatever you > know to do to relax, have some tea or coffee, get to a place of calm, and > then try unsubscribing, reading everything carefully. You may find that > this fixes the interface, in a way that shouting doesn't. > >> > >> > >>The amazing thing here is how long the hijack has lasted. > >> > >> > >>Plus, I'm getting that we don't have a moderator who is regularly > watching this list and ready to fix problems. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>________________________________ > >>> From: Shujen Chang <[email protected]> > >>>To: Mailing list for Wikiversity <[email protected]> > >>>Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:28 AM > >>>Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4 > >>> > >>> > >>>You can just unsubscribe this mail list, if you do not want > to?receive?any letters from the mail list again. > >>> > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Wikiversity-l mailing list > >>[email protected] > >>https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > >> > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >Find me at:? > > > > > >personal blog?http://IaskQuestions.com > >gnu/linux user #500092 > > > > >********************************************************************************************** > >This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. > >If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in > error) > >please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. > >Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the material > >in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. > > > >Diese eMail enthaelt vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschuetzte > Informationen. > >Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese eMail irrtuemlich > erhalten > >haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese > Mail. > >Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail ist > nicht > >gestattet. > > >********************************************************************************************** > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikiversity-l/attachments/20120930/69f6822c/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikiversity-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > > > End of Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 9 > ******************************************** >
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