STOP SENDING ME EMAILS STOP STOP STOP On 30 Sep 2012 14:22, <[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Management of this mailing list (Erkan Yilmaz) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 11:14:21 -0700 (PDT) > From: Abd ulRahman Lomax <[email protected]> > To: Mailing list for Wikiversity <[email protected]> > Subject: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The sequence reveals that no moderator is both monitoring this list and > willing to respond to the request, and possibly the listserver is not > working properly. > > > Yes, the user should be able to handle his own unsubscription and is being > obtuse, repeating a message, insistently, to people who can't do anything > about the situation, and perhaps not following instructions that come with > every mail, or if he is, he is not requesting help, describing the specific > problem encountered, he is merely demanding that someone DO SOMETHING TO > FIX THIS! > > > A common reason would be that the user no longer has access to an account > for sending mail, but is still receiving mail to that account. If that is > the case here, then Harry isn't telling anyone what the account is. The > complete headers from a list mail to him would show what's happening. > (Below, I figure out that this is not the case here. It's commonly a case > with open mailing lists, this list is, however, closed.) > > > STOP and all that does absolutely nothing. The instructions below do say > how to unsubscribe. One of Harry's mails seems to be a response to a mail > from [email protected] and it looks like the > subject was not created as instructed for unsubscription. > > If Harry tells us what he has done, and what happened, we will then know > more specifically what to do about it. I'm not personally going to file a > complaint with the overall wikimedia.org listserver administration unless > I can verify a problem. And they are quite likely, given the massive > subscription lists, to ignore complaints written in all caps that don't > provide adequate information. > > > To find out if the listserver is operating, I entered a number of commands > through the web interface, which is *public*. I merely need enter the > subscribed email address. The page is at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > > On that page, in the "Wikiversity-l" subscribers section, after entering > my subscribed email address, I pressed the "unsubscribe or edit options" > button. > > I got a member options page acknowledging my email address as a > subscriber, and one of the buttons was unsubscribe. I pressed the > unsubscribe button, and, after a few minutes' delay, I received a > confirmation mail. If I had responded with no changes to that mail, I > presume I'd have been unsubscribed. I'd forgotten my password, which is not > needed for unsubscription, so I then pressed the password reminder button > and my password was emailed to me. Using the password, I logged in to the > member options page. There is also an immediate unsubscription option there > (since they know it's you because you logged in with the password.) > > So I did the same, using the Harry address from the mails. I then pressed > an unsubscribe bottom, which, if Harry is a subscriber, would send him a > confirmation mail, with instructions that, if followed carefully, will > unsubscribe him. On the other hand, I tested this with a ridiculous > subscription address. The interface does not reveal if the person is a > subscriber or not. > > If Harry does not receive a mail, he can then strongly infer that he is > not, under this email address, subscribed to the list. That, then, means > that *nobody* can help him, unless he provides the subscription mailing > address. > > However, it is very likely that Harry is a subscriber, because the list > will reject mails from non-subscribers. I just tested that. Harry's mails, > from his gmail address, are not being held for moderator approval. (If a > moderator has set automatic approval, it would go through, but he'd also be > getting the message held for approval message. I've seen a moderator set up > automatic bounce approval when the moderation didn't want to surrender > control but also didn't have the time to actually manage the list.) > > > Harry, when you are in the middle of an amygdala hijack, you may not be > able to respond to instructions clearly. See if you can do whatever you > know to do to relax, have some tea or coffee, get to a place of calm, and > then try unsubscribing, reading everything carefully. You may find that > this fixes the interface, in a way that shouting doesn't. > > The amazing thing here is how long the hijack has lasted. > > Plus, I'm getting that we don't have a moderator who is regularly watching > this list and ready to fix problems. > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Shujen Chang <[email protected]> > >To: Mailing list for Wikiversity <[email protected]> > >Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:28 AM > >Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4 > > > > > >You can just unsubscribe this mail list, if you do not want > to?receive?any letters from the mail list again. > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikiversity-l/attachments/20120930/a0786f72/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:22:32 +0200 > From: Erkan Yilmaz <[email protected]> > To: Abd ulRahman Lomax <[email protected]>, Mailing list for > Wikiversity <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Management of this mailing list > Message-ID: > <CAD3HTdf6Yfd6SZC+Cu5GhRXs25Ww7= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Harry had this request/game some time ago, where I tried to help him > not sure why he could not succeed > > afaik: Cormac is mod of the mailing list, he should be able to do something > about this > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cormaggio > > Erkan > > On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > The sequence reveals that no moderator is both monitoring this list and > > willing to respond to the request, and possibly the listserver is not > > working properly. > > > > Yes, the user should be able to handle his own unsubscription and is > being > > obtuse, repeating a message, insistently, to people who can't do anything > > about the situation, and perhaps not following instructions that come > with > > every mail, or if he is, he is not requesting help, describing the > specific > > problem encountered, he is merely demanding that someone DO SOMETHING TO > > FIX THIS! > > > > A common reason would be that the user no longer has access to an account > > for sending mail, but is still receiving mail to that account. If that is > > the case here, then Harry isn't telling anyone what the account is. The > > complete headers from a list mail to him would show what's happening. > > (Below, I figure out that this is not the case here. It's commonly a case > > with open mailing lists, this list is, however, closed.) > > > > STOP and all that does absolutely nothing. The instructions below do say > > how to unsubscribe. One of Harry's mails seems to be a response to a mail > > from [email protected] and it looks like the > > subject was not created as instructed for unsubscription. > > > > If Harry tells us what he has done, and what happened, we will then know > > more specifically what to do about it. I'm not personally going to file a > > complaint with the overall wikimedia.org listserver administration > unless > > I can verify a problem. And they are quite likely, given the massive > > subscription lists, to ignore complaints written in all caps that don't > > provide adequate information. > > > > To find out if the listserver is operating, I entered a number of > commands > > through the web interface, which is *public*. I merely need enter the > > subscribed email address. The page is at > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > > > > On that page, in the "Wikiversity-l" subscribers section, after entering > > my subscribed email address, I pressed the "unsubscribe or edit options" > > button. > > > > I got a member options page acknowledging my email address as a > > subscriber, and one of the buttons was unsubscribe. I pressed the > > unsubscribe button, and, after a few minutes' delay, I received a > > confirmation mail. If I had responded with no changes to that mail, I > > presume I'd have been unsubscribed. I'd forgotten my password, which is > not > > needed for unsubscription, so I then pressed the password reminder button > > and my password was emailed to me. Using the password, I logged in to the > > member options page. There is also an immediate unsubscription option > there > > (since they know it's you because you logged in with the password.) > > > > So I did the same, using the Harry address from the mails. I then pressed > > an unsubscribe bottom, which, if Harry is a subscriber, would send him a > > confirmation mail, with instructions that, if followed carefully, will > > unsubscribe him. On the other hand, I tested this with a ridiculous > > subscription address. The interface does not reveal if the person is a > > subscriber or not. > > > > If Harry does not receive a mail, he can then strongly infer that he is > > not, under this email address, subscribed to the list. That, then, means > > that *nobody* can help him, unless he provides the subscription mailing > > address. > > > > However, it is very likely that Harry is a subscriber, because the list > > will reject mails from non-subscribers. I just tested that. Harry's > mails, > > from his gmail address, are not being held for moderator approval. (If a > > moderator has set automatic approval, it would go through, but he'd also > be > > getting the message held for approval message. I've seen a moderator set > up > > automatic bounce approval when the moderation didn't want to surrender > > control but also didn't have the time to actually manage the list.) > > > > Harry, when you are in the middle of an amygdala hijack, you may not be > > able to respond to instructions clearly. See if you can do whatever you > > know to do to relax, have some tea or coffee, get to a place of calm, and > > then try unsubscribing, reading everything carefully. You may find that > > this fixes the interface, in a way that shouting doesn't. > > > > The amazing thing here is how long the hijack has lasted. > > > > Plus, I'm getting that we don't have a moderator who is regularly > watching > > this list and ready to fix problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Shujen Chang <[email protected]> > > *To:* Mailing list for Wikiversity <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:28 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [Wikiversity-l] Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 4 > > > > You can just unsubscribe this mail list, if you do not want to receive > any > > letters from the mail list again. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikiversity-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > > > > > > > -- > Find me at: > > personal blog http://IaskQuestions.com > gnu/linux user #500092 > > > ********************************************************************************************** > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. > If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in > error) > please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. > Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the material > in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. > > Diese eMail enthaelt vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschuetzte > Informationen. > Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese eMail irrtuemlich > erhalten > haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese > Mail. > Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail ist > nicht > gestattet. > > ********************************************************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikiversity-l/attachments/20120930/08297335/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikiversity-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > > > End of Wikiversity-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 7 > ******************************************** >
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