Hello Eric
No problem; it's not going to cause you to get thrown off the list. :)
I just think it's better that we apply the same policies in reverse as we do on
the Mac list.
I strongly urge caution based on what I have read regarding JFW. It will give
you problems with the video drivers etc. because VMWare tools uses an updated
set of drivers in v4 and JFW will, like Window-Eyes did to a lesser extent,
complain about them.
So I strongly urge you to remove JFW, do the upgrade with Narrator and then
re-install JFW. Not forgetting, of course, your activation.
Lynne
On 25 Sep 2011, at 19:24, Eric Caron wrote:
Hi Nic, Lynne and list,
Sorry about causing clarification issues. I probably caused the
problem by asking too many questions in one e-mail. It was hard to divide as
the Windows questions and answers effect my Mac decisions.
The main thing I was looking for was Windows and JAWS information within VM
Fusion 4.1. It sounds like Nic has this working and I'd love to pick his
brains a bit about this.
Nic, can you tell me if you started fresh with VM 4.1 then created a new
machine by installing Windows and then Jaws and your other software. Or did
you successfully upgrade VM Fusion 3 and then upgrade a existing machine and
get it to work correctly with Jaws?
My efforts so far have been on a cloned version of my system on a external
drive. I cloned back to my earlier system with VM 3 because of the many
Windows and JAWS issues that came up.
My efforts to solve the problem were to erase authorization files and try again
in the updated VM machine. No luck by doing that. I also noticed that my
Microsoft word now wants to be reauthorized again after upgrading. Also some
printer issues I fixed in the earlier machine in word are now wrong again.
Partly why I don't want to start fresh all over again is that I don't think I
can run VM Fusion 3 with my working machine and VM Fusion 4 with my machine in
progress on the same system. I tried to do this with my limited knowledge and
it didn't work. I'm taking this question over to the other list.
Nic, just knowing you have VM 4.1 windows, in your case 8, and Jaws working
together helps keep me on track. I'd love more details as I asked above.
I have related VM Fusion 4 questions and will now go over to the other list to
see if there are answers there.
I really appreciate all this info!
warmly,
Eric Caron
On Sep 25, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Actually Lynne, reading his message this is actually relevant to Windows and
> does not have anything to do with Fusion.
>
> Firstly, Fusion does run faster under Lion with Fusion 4, there is no
> question about that and also works with Windows 8. That is what I use.
>
> One important thing to understand here is that if you enter an authorization
> with JAWS or similar products, they often depend on the hardware
> specifications. This means that if you change RAM, JAWS will think it is an
> entirely new computer and wants you to reauthorize the application and use
> another key. Keeping in mind that you are potentially changing the
> specifications but virtually, this has the same effect and also has the same
> effect on a physical PC.
>
> To make the old authorization work again, simply return the specifications to
> those which you were using when the authorization was working for you, down
> to the last detail. Again, this applies to a physical PC as well, which is
> why I deemed it relevant.
>
> This is in part why I use NVDA, as it allows me to experiment with various
> configurations without having to use all five JAWS activations. I suppose
> that you could find the best configuration for you then authorize JAWS, or
> simply load NVDA onto your machine then authorize JAWS if you find that you
> like the current configuration.
>
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Sep 25, 2011, at 4:06 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>
>> Hello Eric
>>
>> You're talking about VMWare Fusion itself which is a mac product, not
>> Windows. I know this is confusing; and it's a crossover kind of world. But
>> this group is for the discussion of Windows. if you want to talk about the
>> actual Fusion app you need to be on Mac Access. If you want to talk about
>> the configuration of Windows apps and JFW or whatever, this is the place.
>>
>> I understand this is confusing and can be frustrating.
>>
>> Let's put it this way though; We have Windows 7 X64 running perfectly under
>> Fusion, using Window-Eyes. It didn't give us the slightest problem when we
>> used the correct upgrade procedure which I know some have not.
>>
>> Now, if you want to discuss the actual Fusion app and the virtual machine's
>> configuration, let's go to Mac Access. If you want to discuss the
>> configuration of Windows within that virtual machine, stay right here.
>>
>> Lynne
>>
>> On 24 Sep 2011, at 16:43, Eric Caron wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gordon and list,
>>
>> I just purchased VM Fusion 3 and got everything working. Then VM
>> Fusion 4 came out. I generally like to run the newest versions of things to
>> stay current. I had the impression that VM fusion 4 might work better with
>> Lyon then VM Fusion 3. I'm not actually sure this is true, but this is why
>> I wanted to upgrade.
>>
>> I cloned my system then upgraded to VM Fusion 4. Though JAWS was only in 40
>> minute mode I tried things out. the system seemed more sluggish to me. In
>> both VM 3 and 4 I was using the minimal recommended amounts of ram.
>>
>> I tried several tricks to get Jaws working then gave up and cloned my system
>> back. Occasionally I've played with the VM 4 on my cloned external drive
>> but still have not gotten it to work. I may do a complete instal of JAWS
>> again but the process with Narrator takes me a great deal of time. Plus
>> starting a new Machine means installing other programs as well.
>>
>> I'm also wondering if maybe I'm being silly and should just stick with VM
>> Fusion 3. At the moment everything seems to be working fine there with
>> Lyon. do you think I really am missing out by staying with VM 3? I
>> actually like the set up of VM Fusion 3 better. I like the buttons at the
>> top of the screen for connecting external USB drives and such. In VM 4 I
>> have not been able to get those to work correctly.
>>
>> So, despite my internal drive to run the newest and greatest program I'm
>> beginning to think I'll sit back and wait until someone can verify they have
>> the Windows side working with JAWS and the externals. I just don't have
>> half or more of a day to devote to doing it when in reality VM 3 is doing
>> fine.
>>
>> I'm just a little concerned that I'll hit a block in Lyon with VM 3 and
>> regret not making the move earlier.
>>
>>
>> Oh! I only have 4 gigs ram in this White case and am afraid to upgrade to 8
>> as it is not supported by Apple. This may be another reason to stay with VM
>> 3.
>>
>> Best.
>>
>> Eric Caron
>> On Sep 24, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Hi eric
>>>
>>> I think the problem here is JFW itself. Can I suggest that you:
>>>
>>> 1. Remove JFW if you still have access to Fusion 3 and a VM from that
>>> config.
>>>
>>> 2. Re-install Fusion 4.01 and then import your VM. Run it, and use
>>> Narrator to help you through the VMWare Tools upgrade procedure.
>>>
>>> 3. Reinstall JFW, and you should be fine.
>>>
>>> I don't personally use JFW, I'd rather sell every computer I own and go and
>>> do something entirely different than run JFW. But I think that should
>>> work. We managed to upgrade a VM running Window-Eyes without a problem.
>>> Lynne having sight managed to upgrade the VMWare tools. But it was a
>>> pretty painless experience.
>>>
>>> Eric, may I ask you what made you decide to upgrade?
>>>
>>> Gordon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 Sep 2011, at 13:56, Eric Caron wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello new list,
>>>
>>> I am interested in knowing if any others out there have a VM Fusion 4.1
>>> application running Windows 7 with JAWS. I have tried many tricks and
>>> suggestions to get my VM Fusion 3 upgraded but no luck. The problem is the
>>> required JAWS authorization. the only thing I have not tried is to build a
>>> completely new machine by installing everything new from the original
>>> disks. As my VM Fusion 3 machine is working great I don't want to spend
>>> even more time fighting with this unless someone can verify success with
>>> either a upgrade to VM Fusion 4.1 and Jaws or a successful build of a new
>>> machine.
>>>
>>> I primarily use my VM Fusion and Windows for word processing in MS word.
>>> Occasionally I use Internet explorer and for now that is about it for home
>>> use.
>>>
>>> So anyone out there using this particular configuration?
>>> Or any related tips?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric Caron
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