Hi Gordon I used to be a Kurzweil user for the longest time and my wife had open book on her computer so that's what we use here now I have found open book to be a lot more accurate then what Kurzweil used to be I keep thinking that I will relearn window eyes. I haven't used it in many years and I'm so ingrained and jaws and parsley NVDA that I really need to take the time is about noise. I have been copied to office because I have a Baller 2010 and 2013 license so I have it installed just have not played with it I am known for having Brenda my job is IOM one of the biggest issues is a certain computers in the house that I need the full copy of screenwriter and don't want to use NVDA however I run out of keys very quickly because of that fact because one of the computers we have here is a test for software that were looking for a new business but some of the requires a reinstalls the IOM system is horrible I had a custom-built computer that got lost in the move but every time UFI down what update it would break along with many other things that would happen on the custom computer I had a not I had a Mac and my total voice of it worked. However I had to get rid of it due to so many incompatibilities with systems at work and my home network I didn't want to have to redo the server and stuff but I had to make the whole thing work so I'm using a share of a windows in the Linux server to get done what I need to do I played with the Mac server and I found so many horrible things in it that I didn't like so didn't bother after setting one up I hope that freedom someday gets out of there all talk and changing some policies kiss they are ugly I've used them for so many years though i've noticed a lot of changes and Josh steadily since nine I'm just hoping that they can continue and hopefully out enough and do more that will change things I think with them changing their restrictions on standard and changing at home and removing some of the restrictions is a start in the right direction but we'll see how much more than willing to give GW micro will at least let me running on a VM on officially however if you till freedom that they will make an issue that you're running Josh on BBM as far as the Sarah I had that you simply with when yet but I'm hoping I was hoping to have also want to Pro camera and I'm actually thinking that I'm going to give my wife Maefel braille edge then get a focus 40 because I've had a lot of problems with my braille display and Josh
Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Mike > > GW Micro has, to their credit, offered network admins the ability to use > Windows as though it were local for several years. In fact, I think they are > probably ahead of Freedom in this area. The concept of Freedom’s licensing > policies worries me a little, and I find it very restrictive. I’m not sure > whether they restrict the servers you can use, or whether it is just the > client which is restricted. But all the same, having the facility readily > available in Window-Eyes does hold some appeal for me. > > Window-Eyes is very fast actually, when remotely accessing another computer. > I tried it once via the Internet, and listened to the actual client system > over the phone so that I could get an idea of how fast it was reacting. I > was getting the audio feedback on my machine just about half a second, if > that, behind that of the actual speakers on the server system itself. > Locally, on the same Windows network, it’s like lightning. > > I have not as yet tried Jaws remote, as I say, because I want to see what > their terms are before I invest money into that technology. Freedom do > nothing for nothing, that is for sure. They seem to spare no thought at all > for the budget of somebody for whom these ventures are personal. All they > talk about on their website and in their brochures are “Corporate” this, and > “Business” that. Actually, their ILM system is not without its problems as > well. One of my laptops is exhibiting a very strange problem. When I start > the machine from cold boot, Jaws goes into demo mode, and I’m prompted to > update the authorisation. I have to do a warm reboot in order to have it see > the fact that the ILM key is there. Warm rebooting solves the issue as I > said, but it’s a very odd one. OpenBook 9 is installed on the same system > and that does not exhibit the problem. In fact, just changing subject for a > moment. OpenBook 9 is, when configured properly, a very accurate OCR system > when used with the Pearl camera. I am fortunate enough to own a license for > OpenBook, funded by Access To Work for me to use at my place of work. Even > text close too, or in-picture text is sometimes recognised correctly if the > software is properly configured. I routinely set OpenBook to default with > the most accurate “FineReader” engine, rather than the default which is, > correct me if I’m wrong, the Nuance Omnipage) engine. ABBYY is way ahead of > the game I think and that’s why it is used cross-platform technologies in > OpenBook. But one of the things that initially caught my attention when I > started using OpenBook was the speed of its recognition function. I also > very much like the way it handles workflows and it wasn’t long before I I > started creating workflows customised for my own specific situations. I could > sit here and write pages and pages about this software, its good and its bad > points. But were I to do so, I’d probably exceed the list limits. > > On another point, I also own a Sara CE, Freedom Scientific’s stand-alone OCR > system. I’m quite glad that I didn’t pay for the acquisition of the Sara CE > myself, or I would have been feeling very cheated by now. > > SARA FB is the version with the flatbed scanner, and SARA CE is the Camera > Edition, hence the suffix. The SARA technology is actually nothing more than > a standard PC running under Windows XP with a custom interface. The actual > computer that powers it is based on an AMD Athlon 1.0 GHZ with 512MB of RAM > and a 160GB ATA hard drive. > > My guess is that Freedom’s developers did some kind of deal with a hardware > supplier, then they bought a manufacturer’s OEM license for Windows XP which > allows them to install it on as many systems as they need. There are > actually some subtle differences in the main board configurations. For > example, my own unit has not just the two audio output sockets that Freedom > advertise, but it also has a complete onboard SoundBlaster Live, with mic in, > line in and line out sockets on the rear. It uses a system shared onboard > video system, and on the rear panel there are 4 USB inputs, a DVI and VGA > monitor connection pair and a socket for a PS2 keyboard. Oh yes, and I > forgot to mention the Parallel port. I didn’t find any of those extras > mentioned in the system specifications. On the front panel there are also > two small 8ø speakers which are actually not bad quality for music. Not > hi-fi, of course, but I’ve heard far worse. > > finally, on top of that, they run their own OpenBook software, customised to > work with the hardware they use for their interface, and a modified Pearl > camera. They charge around $1,000 USD for that, which I personally think is > a horrendous rip-off. They probably picked up the volume supply of > motherboards for a couple of bucks each. The hard drives probably cost > around the same amount. The software probably works out at about the same, > maybe just a bit more, and their own modified version of OpenBook was, of > course, all in-house anyway. They spout the same usual excuse, development > costs, for the horrendous price of the unit. But that excuse has worn pretty > thin by now, to be honest. > > They must make a terrific profit on every unit they ship. In their defence, > yes, it is true to say that the unit does work very well. But essentially > all you have is a single task, OpenBook, running under Windows XP. Even on a > machine with those specifications, i’d have been amazed if it hadn’t worked > seamlessly. > > Yes, to be totally fair, the SARA CE provides an excellent interface > especially for those who have little or no vision and who want something > that’s powerful yet easy to use in order to scan mail, read books, etc. Yes, > it’s only fair to say it, the SARA has proven an invaluable tool in my own > locker when I’m at my place of work. A lot of my job involves Braille > transcription work and, in those instances where I cannot find an electronic > version of the book I’m working on in the educational library, (to which I > have access), to use as source, I rely heavily on OCR solutions to gather my > material. Occasionally I use off-the-shelf solutions to scan. But most of > the time I use a combination of SARA CE, OpenBook 9 and, very occasionally, a > pair of eyes borrowed from one of my colleagues if she happens to be able to > spare them. > > OpenBook and SARA share the same overall operating environment and actually > they both run a customised copy of JAWS 11.0 to provide the Braille and > speech interface. > > When you use JAWS as your primary screen-reader, a very clever piece of > switching takes place behind the scenes. Jaws automatically detects the > OpenBook presence and releases control of the speech API and the Braille > display while the OpenBook window has focus. In the case of the Braille > display, you do need to be running a Focus or something, one of the Freedom > displays at any rate, for the switching to work properly. OpenBook only has > direct support for Freedom’s hardware which, I guess, makes sense really. > > Having used this system for about 9 months now, I’m actually very happy with > it. It gets results for me, no doubt about that. But I find Freedom’s > licensing policies very ugly, to be honest. For example, if one has a valid > license for Jaws on their system, you’d think that maybe the OpenBook mighty > be covered as well. But sadly, that isn’t the case. > > Kindest regards > > <--- Gordon Smith ---> > <[email protected]> > > Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; > Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, Plus > I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually Impaired > Department at: > Sunnyside Academy > Manor Farm Way > Colby Newham > Middlesbrough > Cleveland > United Kingdom > > On 28 Jul 2014, at 13:05, Mike Stopka <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Gordon > > It makes me wonder if now that Jaws is writing their stuff for home and > business if things will change. I know they said as of 16 you were still > going to pay for the add-ons but I'm thinking at some point they may go ahead > and write it completely and to Josh pro. I'm going to retain my dross Pro and > probably pick up an actual paid copy of wind was. I prefer eloquence over the > other speech since anyway. So it'll be interesting to see what actually > happens. I will be very interested to hear you're out comes with window eyes. > I will still probably pick up a copy of window eyes just have one it's always > good to have a few cents around I had looked into the dolphin access I've > heard they're pretty far behind as well in the accessibility for network > Edmonds > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Mike >> >> With Window-Eyes version 6 and later, Remote Access via Citrix or Microsoft >> Remote Terminal services is built-in, if you own a Professional license to >> the product. >> >> Actually though, as I understand it, Window-Eyes is being given its long >> overdue total rewrite, which will obviously be a paid upgrade when it is >> released. But finally, it seems, GW Micro has acknowledge the horrendous >> latency introduced by Window-Eyes with its huge footprint. If they are now >> producing true 64-bit code, I am sure that we will see dramatically improved >> responsiveness throughout the entire product, not just with remote sessions. >> >> But I am about to see whether or not I can install it into my Windows 8.1 >> native system, as I only have a full setup of Window-Eyes 8.2 and the >> current version, the one being distributed free of charge, is version 8.4. >> Anybody who owns a license to Windows 8.1 and/or Microsoft Office 2010 or >> later automatically qualifies for a free license to Window-Eyes. I will >> contact GW Micro as I am keen to retain my registered serial number if >> possible. >> >> Kindest regards >> >> <--- Gordon Smith ---> >> <[email protected]> >> >> Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; >> Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, >> Plus I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually Impaired >> Department at: >> Sunnyside Academy >> Manor Farm Way >> Colby Newham >> Middlesbrough >> Cleveland >> United Kingdom >> >> ============================== >> >> >> >> >> Telephone: >> >> United Kingdom: Free Phone: >> 0800 8620538 >> >> United Kingdom Geographic: >> 01133 280547 >> Mobile: >> +44 7907 823971 >> >> Europe and other non-specified: >> +44 1642 688095 >> >> United States Of America And Canada: >> +1 646 9151493 >> Or: >> +1 209 436 9443 >> >> Australasia: >> +61 38 8205930 >> Or: >> +61 39 0284505 >> >> Fax: >> +44 1642 365123 >> >> Follow Us On Twitter: >> <http://twitter.com/maciosaccess> >> >> Skype: >> <skype:mac-access-dot-net?call> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> On 26 Jul 2014, at 22:58, Mike Stopka <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Gordon >> >> I am curious to see what your point of view is if you get when doors to work >> do you have to pay extra for the RDP in Citrix access I need to do that with >> my jaws as well so I will see what happens I'm going to have the money to >> upgrade to and at the features I'm running 15 and I get 16 anyway but will >> review my SMEs when I get the chance and by the Adams just have them figured >> it would be better for job's point of view anyway >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mike >>> >>> Were it not for the fact that Window-Eyes 8.2 won’t install under Windows >>> 8.1 natively, allowing you to upgrade to 8.4, my problem would be solved. >>> I have it installed on my Windows 7 system, but the last time I tried it on >>> 8.1 I got a lot of errors. >>> >>> I’ll give it another go actually, just to be sure. Jaws remote access >>> technologies cost £125.00 GBP per license which, presumably, means that you >>> can only use it to access similarly licensed servers. Citrix is natively >>> slow, Mike, even without a screen-reader. It’s old technology which should >>> have been scrapped years ago and re-written. Microsoft Terminal Services >>> do not have a large footprint and they are much much faster, allowing you >>> to do most or all the things you can do under Citrix, apart from having >>> access to Main Frame computers. >>> >>> I shall go get my 8.2 Window-Eyes CD now and give that a go again. >>> >>> Kindest regards >>> >>> <--- Gordon Smith ---> >>> <[email protected]> >>> >>> Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; >>> Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, >>> Plus I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually Impaired >>> Department at: >>> Sunnyside Academy >>> Manor Farm Way >>> Colby Newham >>> Middlesbrough >>> Cleveland >>> United Kingdom >>> f >>> On 23 Jul 2014, at 16:31, Mike Stopka <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Gordon, in the jaws you do have to buy the Citrix and remote access and >>> NVDA they still have not implemented anything as of yet I know it can be >>> done but it's very slow and that's all very bleeding edge code but as far >>> as I know it's not she implemented into NVDA yet I was just looking into >>> the same thing for a home server here's well and I'm can have to buy the >>> Citrix and the draws remote access lucky for me I got into a position where >>> I could do so I prefer Johnsarbor NVDA anyway but still using PDA >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Greetings again my fellow enthusiasts! >>>> >>>> While it is true that NVDA provides very good accessibility to most things >>>> Windows, I am still finding myself using Jaws more and more. However, >>>> what I would like to know is how you use remote access services under >>>> NVDA? With Jaws, I’m going to have to purchase the add-on that gives you >>>> access to remote terminal series and Citrix. On that last point, does >>>> anybody know from where you need to download the Citrix server module? I >>>> gather it needs to be installed before JAWS, is that correct? if so, >>>> presumably one needs to remove and then reinstall JAWS itself, but retain >>>> user and shared settings, correct? >>>> >>>> As for Jaws itself, I am finding it extremely stable and robust for the >>>> most part. I’m in the process of installing a new system which I bought >>>> bare-bones a few weeks ago. It’s going to be used primarily as a server >>>> for various functions, but Jaws will be used on that machine as >>>> Window-Eyes doesn’t seem to want to install, and NVDA is not as responsive >>>> as JAWS. >>>> >>>> Sorry for the ramble. >>>> >>>> Kindest regards >>>> >>>> <--- Gordon Smith ---> >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> >>>> Information Technology Accessibility Consultant; >>>> Proudly Providing Braille And Alternative Format Transcription Services, >>>> Plus I.T Help & Support To The Staff And Students Of the Visually Impaired >>>> Department at: >>>> Sunnyside Academy >>>> Manor Farm Way >>>> Colby Newham >>>> Middlesbrough >>>> Cleveland >>>> United Kingdom >>>> >>>> ============================== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Telephone: >>>> >>>> United Kingdom: Free Phone: >>>> 0800 8620538 >>>> >>>> United Kingdom Geographic: >>>> 01133 280547 >>>> Mobile: >>>> +44 7907 823971 >>>> >>>> Europe and other non-specified: >>>> +44 1642 688095 >>>> >>>> United States Of America And Canada: >>>> +1 646 9151493 >>>> Or: >>>> +1 209 436 9443 >>>> >>>> Australasia: >>>> +61 38 8205930 >>>> Or: >>>> +61 39 0284505 >>>> >>>> Fax: >>>> +44 1642 365123 >>>> >>>> Follow Us On Twitter: >>>> <http://twitter.com/maciosaccess> >>>> >>>> Skype: >>>> <skype:mac-access-dot-net?call> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ======================================= >>>> >>>> To post to this group, please send your message to: >>>> [email protected] >>>> The Windows-Access E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free >>>> >>>> To modify your subscription options, please visit your personalise >>>> subscriber options page, located at >>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/windows-access >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Windows-Access forum >>>> at either of the following websites: >>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/windows-access/index.html >>>> Or: >>>> <http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]> >>>> >>>> you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. 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