RE: [Winona] Conservation Design of Subdivisions

[c . dillerud]

[Winona Online Democracy]

Keith and Forum

 

You (Keith) are right on the mark by at least investigating Conservation Development - meeting date conflicts aside. A National expert in this type of development design was also called upon by Lake Elmo - in our case, Randall Arndt. Of the 13 new neighborhoods (400+ units) we have seen in Lake Elmo (east Metro) during the past 7 years, 12 have been conservation design, with about half of them served by alternative wastewater treatment systems - Constructed Wetlands in all cases. Maybe not the favorite strategy by the "pave the world" Metro Council Planners - as we have recently seen. They do have their own agenda (Met Council). They are, after all, in the sewer and transit business.

 

I have been hosting about one bus tour a month for elected leaders and staff of other "ex-urban" Metro cities as those communities are addressing moving to Conservation Development themselves. With most of those Lake Elmo Conservation Developments now built-out, our guests have had an opportunity to see what concepts like clustering and mandatory 50% open space preservation appear in "real time". Most have respeonded: "Wow, rural character and natural resource protection 10 miles from downtown St. Paul!".

 

I wish you and my former home city the best - regardless of the development form you select. I can tell you, however, that Conservation Development has been successful in Lake Elmo. That said, it is not the answer everywhere for everyone. Winona should at least take a look .

 

Chuck Dillerud

 

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> Dwayne,
> I would enjoy a discussion with out inferred accusations.
> I had been directed as far back as late August to pursue this type of
> information and presentation. After reviewing potential "experts" in
> alternative storm water control and subdivision design I contacted Mr.
> Rosumalksi. After an initial meeting we established a mutually
> agreeable time for the discussion. Not a shred of deviousness entered
> that process. ---enough of that discussion----
>
> Again growth will happen. Human population continues to grow,
> rural population continues to move to urban settings, and the number of
> people per household continues to decrease. (speaking of world
> population - did you know that if you could put every person in the
> world in Minnesota they would each have 605 sf or a spot 24.6ft by
> 24.6ft, transportation would be slower than driving in Minneapolis)
>
> Again your question about should we consider future generations
> is combative and does not promote healthy communication. Good planning
> and the consideration of future and present generations is exactly what
> we are talking about. The 30,000 of us that live together in this
> community should be thankful that someone before us developed and built
> on this spot so we can enjoy our homes and streets and neighborhoods.
> We should do the same, and maybe even better. That is my goal.
>
> Keith Nelson
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> [Winona Online Democracy]
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> Keith,
>
> The Wilson Town Board has been planning this candidate forum for weeks
> and
> has spoken with the Mayor and a few current City Council members about
> it.
>
> Who planned your event?
>
> The timing looks a bit funny.
>
> Back to the forum.
>
> Again, the topic looks great. I wholeheartedly agree that we need to
> develop better development models and planning.
>
> I hope you might consider other forums where others can also offer equal
> input into who is on the panel and what is discussed ahead of time.
>
> Lastly, you said, "Growth will happen."
>
> Are there any times or places when or where growth should not happen?
>
> Should current developers an d city planners take into account future
> generations needs and long term affects?
>
> Dwayne Voegeli
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> >Dwayne,
> > It is unfortunate that the Wilson Township board is having a
> >meeting that evening. They have been invited to the presentation on
> >Conservation Design of Subdivisions. No I did not know they were both
> >scheduled for the same time.
> >
> >The discussion is not intended as a debate but as an opportunity to
> >discover the options available for land development that protect, use
> or
> >even enhance the environment around us. I suspect that the proposals
> >from Mr. Rozumalski will be controversial enough. The work that they
> >put together as a guidance document for the Met Council, Minneapolis,
> >St. Paul, and 3 or 4 watershed districts certainly is not desi gn as
> >usual. I hope we can get the Winona region to see Conservation Design
> >as acceptable or even the norm. It's not "doze it", "pave it" and "put
> >a house on it" anymore.
> >
> >Growth will happen. The natural world is ours to enjoy, use and
> >protect. Let's combine the efforts.
> >
> >I hope you can make it on Oct 20 at 7:00, at City Hall.
> >
> >Keith Nelson
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> >Keith,
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> >The public presentation sounds like a great idea.
> >
> >But it's the same night that Wilson Township has set for a local
> >government
> >candidate's forum. Did you know that?
> >
> >Whenever the forum happens, what do you think about including a few
> >other
> >perspectives on the panel? Maybe 1-2 other speakers?
> >
> >Dwayne Voegeli
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> >October 13, 2004
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> >>With recent discussions on the development of area lands and the
> >>controversy that naturally follows, the City of Winona will be hosting
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> >>Subdivisions". Fred Rozumalski, Landscape Ecologist with Barr
> >>Engineering Company, will discuss successful solutions and available
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