[Winona Online Democracy] Following the logic of the city in the Supreme Court case this land would be snapped up by private investors for at least $2000-$3000 per front foot for none homestead property taxes on raw land. This is significantly more than the revenue received by the city for the house boats and might even improve "public access". Change the package to a Casino, entertainment center and marina on the river and the public tax revenue sky rockets with almost no limit to the value per front foot and with little, if any, public investment.
Paul Double From: Phil Carlson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:23 PM Paul is right about a public jurisdiction turning around and condemning any piece of land, but they would then have to PAY for it ("just compensation") which is a significant deterrent to impulsive land acquisition. The original Latsch holdings were gifts. Phil Carlson, Mpls Behalf Of Paul Double Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:39 PM Duane, Phil and others It seems to me that most public gifts of land would contain such a provision which then allows the use of eminent domain powers, based on the recent court ruling, to take the property away from the descendent owners by any government unit with eminent domain powers and for any use they deem will provide higher taxes and revenues than is currently being generated such as for condominiums, residential housing or waterfront businesses on the property. In my opinion, it turns up side down the enforceable ability of any property owner to set aside park land for the future unless it is dedicated to the Federal government. Paul Double ________________________________________________________________ Interestingly, much of Winona's park land was donated by Mr. Latsch. In the deeds, it states that if the City should abandon its park usage, the title reverts to the owner. The owner(s) are the descendents of Mr. Latsch. From: "Phil Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 3:55 PM > Do I understand my friend Paul Double - successful businessman and ardent > capitalist - to be saying that providing "higher revenue producing > enterprises" is not the only criterion on which to judge our activities? > That there might be good in providing things of substance but less income? > I couldn't agree more. > > Of course the issue of selling off parks or golf courses is touchy, > because > successful communities have long know that an outstanding park, > recreation, > and open space system is one of the best amenities to have in place for > attracting businesses and the affluent people who run them. Don't put > Westfield on the action block just yet. > > Phil Carlson, Mpls > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Paul Double > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:18 AM > To: Online Democracy > Subject: FW: [Winona] Should Eminent Domain be used in Winona other than > forroads & utilities? > > > [Winona Online Democracy] > > > > One of the new opportunities that I see in the eminent domain decision is > for cities to covert park lands, municipal golf courses or dedicated land > trusts into affordable residential housing. The eminent domain rule, > would > not be necessary for land already under control the of a city and would > enable that land to be replaced or exchanged thus re-arraigning growth > trends or planning decisions of past councils. A council could strip out > of > a downtown all architecture that failed to fit the design year theme of > the > look they are trying to achieve. My point is that eminent domain powers > when expanded beyond public utilities is a slippery slope. It can cut > both > ways including the removal of non revenue or low revenue producing things > like parks and golf courses. It can be used to eliminate a revenue > producing business to build a higher revenue producing enterprise or to > turn > a waterfront park or commercial property into condominiums or playgrounds > for the rich. (Lake City) > > The need to expand the boundaries of a city is based on the fact that it > is > easier to extend public utilities, destroy open space and farm land than > to > convert parks, islands and golf courses. Someday, someone or a court may > cost out the difference and come to a different conclusion. > > > Paul Double > > _______________________________________________ > This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > Any problems or suggestions can be directed to > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact > page > at > http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org > > _______________________________________________ > This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > Any problems or suggestions can be directed to > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact > page at > http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org > _______________________________________________ This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. 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