[Winona] Re: Winona Digest, Vol 24, Issue 12

Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:16:51 -0800 

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I think we all know what the answer to solving class size issues in Winona Public Schools is; cut back on administrative positions and hire more teachers..has anyone taken a look at how many admin. positions there are now compared to ten years ago? then ratio that out to a student/admin vs. student/teacher ten years ago compared to today, I think you will be astonished to see what has happened to our school budget, it is being chewed up by administration...the students and the teachers are suffering. Let me paraphrase the whole thing...cut the fat from the administration.

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Today's Topics:

1. Fw: [Winona] You Know Class Sizes Are Too Big At the
HighSchoolWhen... (Dwayne and Denine Voegeli)


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Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 18:43:44 -0600
From: "Dwayne and Denine Voegeli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fw: [Winona] You Know Class Sizes Are Too Big At the
HighSchoolWhen...
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Hello John,

I am not dodging your question. It is a very good and valid question. I
simply do not have the hard data you are asking for.

Again, I would like to see those hard numbers myself.

My observations are based on my ten years of experience at the High School
and my memory of class sizes over the years. I will readily admit that a
fair and accurate number analysis would give a more fair and accurate
picture of the changes over time. I will readily admit my memory is not
perfect and is subjective. (Heck, I'll even admit my memory is even fading
with the passage of time.)

;->

Please feel free to ask someone within the District Administration for the
information about my classes over the last ten years. I would be glad to
see it publicly presented.

Dwayne Voegeli

Dec. 27, 2005

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> [Winona Online Democracy]
>
> Dwayne did not answer the question, so I will ask again: What is the mean
> class size? And how has it changed over the past six years? What subject
> is taught in the class he speaks of?
>
> Leslie Hittner:
>
>> Large numbers of single section classes make any kind of
>> scheduling system ( 4, 5, 6, or 7 period) nearly impossible to work with.
>
> Perhaps some help from the algorithmically talented could help with the
> problem of making schedules. If the problem is impossible, how are you
> solving it today? Or is it merely tedious? Or have the schedulers just
> given up? Understanding the problem completely can point to hidden
> problems and solutions. For example, a class without enough desks is
> simply unacceptable. Is there another classroom with enough that's being
> utilized improperly ? Or does this point to a justification of a larger
> building or more instructors. WE DO NOT KNOW because we do not know the
> problem. (What you speak of could be a classic NP Complete problem, but
> often problems like class scheduling can be sufficiently accommodated.)
>
>>How has that value changed in 10 years? How many single
>>section classes are in the schedule today compared with 1995
>>(in total and as a percentage of the entire schedule)?
>
> Okay, let us have an answer to that, but also we need to know how the
> numbers affected students and outcomes. Not all large classes are a bad
> thing.
>
>>As single section classes grow in numbers, however, students are
>>hurt in at least two ways: (1) less efficient use of teaching and
>>learning time within each class and (2) [. snip repeat of above.]
>
> Is there evidence that the large classes in parti cular (not all large
> classes - these particular classes) cause less effective teaching, or
> might there be methods to teach them that are not being employed? Who,
> what is failing here?
>
> john stafford
>
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